Thursday, March 16, 2006

Splitting the Conservative Vote

Rich is commenting on the latest missive from the "Topinka Tattler" arguing that Sen. Bill Brady's determination to stay in the GOP Primary will split conservatives and lead to a JBT victory. Rich focuses on the threats of retribution and the more conspiratorial aspects of the posting. I wanted to try and tackle some of the assumptions that are behind it.

I think the best example of why arguing that conservative candidate A takes votes away from conservative candidate B allowing liberal candidate C to win is Ross Perot. In Change and Continuity in the 1992 Presidential Elections as well as in the 96 version, three politcal scientists poured over National Election Survey data and determined that Ross Perot didn't enough votes away from Bush 41 to swing the election to Clinton in '92. In fact, Perot brought new voters into the mix. Clinton would've won in 1992 regardless of Ross Perot's entry into the race. It's not a perfect analogy to the '06 Illinois gubernatorial primary, but it is worth looking at.

We learn from that example that the voting universe is only finite in that the country has so many registered voters and so many potential eligible voters. When only half of registered voters actually vote in a Presidential Election, who votes and why they vote can impact the race. An election isn't a zero sum game where conservative voters will vote for one guy or another.

Some liberal republican voters may choose Brady over Topinka because he is from downstate, or maybe because they are constituent's and he is good at providing them service. Voters, in fact, tend to vote on four axis: prospectively (what the candidates says about the future), retrospectively (their record), party ID and on the issues. Many conservatives are supporting Topinka, for example. The reason may be out of party loyalty. Party loyalty trumps issues in general elections, I imagine it plays a role in primaries too. Why aren't conservatives blaming party loyalty for a potential Oberweis loss? It will most likely be a factor.

Another argument is that Brady is a plant, otherwise he would've seen the writing on the wall and walked away from this mess. He can't win. Again, I think that may assume a lot. First of all, what elected official worth his salt would allow that? Would you risk your modest fortune to do that?

I've asked a couple of people, whose opinions on these matters I value, and they are guessing this will be a low turn out election. Theoretically, if JBT had 30% in the polls and Sen. Brady had 15% among likely voters and only half of Judy's voters show up on election day and all of Sen. Brady's do, then guess what? You have a tie.

In a low turn out election voter intensity counts. Maybe Sen. Brady believes that if his supporters show up in higher numbers, he can still win while down in the polls overall. He has heavily invested in Central Illinois where voters are conservative and they show up on election day. Maybe he hopes a big win downstate can help him steal the election. I'm not saying that is the case, or making in claim about voting patterns. What I am saying is that a plausible alternatives exist to the split conservative vote theory being trotted out around the state.

The split conservative vote is a common theory that we often hear about in politics. Its seductiveness lies in its parsimony. But it assumes elections are a zero sum game in a fixed universe. I tend to believe that is a mistake. And I'm not sure finger pointing at any candidate is wise.

20 comments:

Cal Skinner 7:13 PM  

Usually in my precinct the GOP got 75% of the vote in the early 1990's. With Perot getting 25% of the vote in Algonquin Township precinct 7, Republican Bush saw his total decrease to 50%.

I certainly have not read the studies cited, but that's what happened in my corner of the political arena.

Anonymous,  8:24 PM  

Its the morons from Team Stupid (FTN, RYP, IFI etc)that polarize. They have never had success, usually because of their asshole personalities, and try to push emotional wedges in weird areas.

These people call for "reform", yet threaten Brady. These people are sickos. Just wait, bad things will emerge. I am certain LaBarbera is a married closet homosexual.

Anonymous,  9:18 PM  

Brady volunteers and his voters are highly motivated to win the election so they can have a downstate Governor. I have been told that Judy's number was 27 and Brady’s was 17 last week before the moron statement and the Oberweis implosion. With the high number of undecided that will go to Brady.

Anonymous,  9:29 PM  

Brady is in this to win the Governor's Office. He's spent over a year away from his family, spent a large amound of his own money, and work hard to build and organization and keep the ball rolling - even through some unfavorable early polls and constant attacks by Oberweis. I'm voting for him and I want him to win. I think he'll be a great Governor. But if he doesn't, I commend him for giving many of us conservatives a real, viable alternative to Oberweis. Bill Brady is just what we need, and if he can step in and win this thing in spite of Oberweis and his attacks, I'll consider him a party hero. If he loses, he's run a great race, and I'll work hard for him until he does win. I can tell you another thing. From what I've seen from Oberweis and his supporters this year, I will NEVER vote for him. Again, for those of you who just don't get it: I'm conservative, and I will NEVER vote for Oberweis. That's a problem for him.

Anonymous,  11:14 PM  

Although I think you make some valid points I think the math of the present situation changes the situation. Right now Topinka is holding on to a small lead over Oberweis. It is clear that if Brady got out Oberweis SHOULD beat Topinka. (Ross Perot did not hold the same potential)

Brady is a great guy and I wish him luck in the future, but if he causes Topinka to win the primary he is going to have a very tough time getting conservatives to support him in the future.

I think Brady should get out and run for Senate in 2008. He would have my support. But right now we need to stop Topinka, because if Topinka wins then conservaties will stay home in mass.

Anonymous,  11:39 PM  

Republicans who say Perot lost them the race in 1992 are as dumb as Democrats who say Nader cost them 2000. How about winning with the candidate you have?

Anonymous,  11:53 PM  

Brady could beat Blago, Oberweiss will get trounced by Blago

Anonymous,  12:40 AM  

Peter LaBarbera is a butt-monkey.

Anonymous,  12:44 AM  

Brilliance. Absolute Brilliance.

Bill Baar 6:23 AM  

I've never voted in a Republican Primary before. I'll vote for Brady in this one. Mostly because of what Fitz is quoted saying below,

We want a candidate who’s clean in that regard and who doesn’t have a lot of baggage as a hook.

I don't think it's the end of the world if Topinka gets it, but Brady campaigns well, when you get a chance to hear him, and brings less baggage.

Oberweis and Gidwitz don't have the historical baggage from prior public service, but Oberweis -especially- has an odd knack of baking new bricks and adding them to his pack.

One interesting stat I would like to see with elections is not just turnout, but new voters. I wonder how many new voters will be in thie primary, especially the Republican one.

Anonymous,  8:17 AM  

I predict we only have a few new voters overall. I still think Oberweis will win the primary as Brady supporters (some of them) will switch on election day to stop Topinka. Despite any weakness Oberweis may have in Brady supporters view he is clearly better than Topinka.

Topinka is tied to the old George Ryan republicans. We need to get away from that.

Besides whoever wins needs a lot of money to take on Blago's huge war chest of cash. Brady and Topinka don't have the money right now. All Blago has to do is use the Edger plan. Spend a huge amount of money early and knock out your opposition before they even get out of the gate. Oberweis and Gidwitz can compete against that with their money. I don't think Topinka and Brady can survive that onslaught.

But just to be clear if Brady pulls some miracle upset (sorry I just don't see it happening) I would proudly vote for him. But right now it seems Oberweis, despite any flaws he may have, is the only conservative who can beat Topinka and has the money to take on Blago.

Anonymous,  10:36 AM  

Conservative Proletariat: You are way off when you state that the polls show that Obie is "close" to picking off Topinka. There is a ten-point spread between the two, at best. And the only way to question that is to apply the poll margins of error, which arguably work in Brady's favor too and decimate your argument.

Your claim also depends on the ability of Brady to deliver EVERY SINGLE VOTE he has directly to Oberweis. As Greg's article makes clear, there are a core of Brady voters who just don't give a damn about Obie.... even if Brady and every conservative backing him did an about-face and urged a vote for Obie, there is no chance that enough Brady supporters would follow that lead and support Obie. You Obie people just don't get it that a significant percentage of voters just don't like him and won't vote for him.

Actually, it is the other way around.... if Obie dropped for the good of the conservative cause and endorsed Brady, it would seal the deal for Brady. So why won't he do it?

Anonymous,  11:35 AM  

Brady's the Guy,

You talk about Obe being behind, what about Brady? He is way behind Topinka. I keep hearing you guys say if Obe dropped out that you could win, but name me one poll where Brady is beating Oberweis.

Anonymous,  11:53 AM  

The Tribune poll was among those calling themselves "likely GOP voters." What part of that did you not understand?

Anonymous,  5:08 PM  

"I still think Oberweis will win the primary as Brady supporters (some of them) will switch on election day to stop Topinka. Despite any weakness Oberweis may have in Brady supporters view he is clearly better than Topinka."

You are so living in la la land. Every conservative I know absolutely HATES Oberweis. They feel that he is DESTROYING the party. It is a shame that you can't see that.

I chat with people daily and the more they hear Brady, the more they like him. He has faults, we all do, however, when it comes to garbage, the milkman's got the most.

I think he should stick with GOT MILK because we definitely don't WANT GUV!

Anonymous,  6:33 PM  

Anon 5:08 is right Obie's supporters are running to Brady like scalded dogs. Obie has so screwed up his chances of winning the primary people are shifting to Brady so Brady can beat Topinka. Obie can’t seem to make a move without stepping in it. This latest bungle was he says Brady voted to raise taxes is crazy and shows how Obie does not understand policy or politics. And shows how inexperienced he is and that he is not ready to be governor. He's lucky Brady is playing nice Blago would take his head off. Obie is done.

Anonymous,  8:32 PM  

Anon 6:33; How about these votes? What Brady said last night I worked with Jim Edgar? You mean to make the income tax hike permenant?

Brady votes

92nd G.A.

HB2671 State employee Early Retirement Initiative fia$co "YES"

SB88 '$implified' Municipal Telecommunications Tax (Rauschy's baby) a +$240 MILLION local utility tax hike "YES"

HB793 The UN inspired 'Smart Growth' nonsense "YES"

93rd G.A.

SB1239 +$240 million in Blago-pork. "NOT VOTING"

HB4266 Increases school foundation level +$396.5 million during state budget crisis "NOT VOTING"


SB1645 Blocks Federal overtime changes in Illinois to protect workers "NOT VOTING"

HB2345 MANDATES housing for low-income and homeless population. "YES"

SB2112 Cook County Assessors "7% Assessment Solution" capping assessments. "NO"

SB1006 Exempts blatantly illegal Ford Heights dumpsite from IL-EPA regulations. "YES" (Blago Vetoed)

HB60 (Rauschy's baby) Il taxpayer paid tuition for kids of illegal aliens. "YES"

94th G.A.

HB3471 Additional employment protections for day and temp labor services (many of which are part of the 400,000 illegal aliens in Illinois) "YES"

SB7 Illinois tax break for Doctors who practice in areas of physician scarcity. "NO"

SB1623
Consular Identification Document Act". "YES"

HB253 State employee medical coverage to include Federally OK'd AIDS vaccine. "NO"

HB1320 Increases penalty for school administrators failure to report evidence of child abuse. "NO"

SB1682 Tax Referendum Reform, insures property taxes extended only to amounts approved in voter referendums. "NO"


If this agenda is the future of the IL-GOP... why bother?

Anonymous,  2:15 AM  

Brady is not smart enough to realize if he is a plant. A potted plant.

He is so remarkably dogmatic, clueless, and unprepared for the organizational effort needed to succeed, that it is a testament to the absolute lack of quality in the Republican primary for governor that he is being discussed at all.

Get to know Brady? He was born on third base and thought he hit a triple. He is the worst case scenario for the "lifeboat simulation": prying the fingers of low-income children from the side of the boat as they struggle to get inside to receive education and health care. If that is conservatism then all conservatives should be ashamed of themselves.

Extreme Wisdom 4:26 PM  

Greg,

Count me as skeptical about the "3 Political Scientists." Let's face it. That 90% political and 10% Science.

On the night Clinton Beat Bush1, Republicans picked up five House seats. That pretty much sums it up. Perot voters were all over the map, but when push came to shove, they broke on the conservative side of populism.

The Perot voters that would have stayed home wouldn't have helped Bush, but I doubt the one's who would have voted anyway would have gone for Clinton.

How all that would have impacted the electoral college is another issue.
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Why the analysis? You only have one vote, and one candidate's entry into the race will dilute the others, so of course Brady is blowing it for Oberweis.

It goes with out saying that Oberweis is blowing it for Brady as well. I wish Gidwitz was blowing it for Topinka, but that doesn't seem to be happening.

Typical Illinois Republicans... Blowing it.

All the vitriol here isn't helping much.

Blago is saddled with tons of cash, but tons of baggage as well. Any one of the 4 has a shot at him (assuming any of them could run a decent campaign), but Topinka is the weakest of the lot, and hurts Republicans the most.

Harriet 8:41 PM  

Frankly, I hope that Brady wins the GOP primary.

Given his hard right wing views (on abortion rights, stem cell research, creationism, public school prayer), beating him in the general election would be a cakewalk.

He'd be a better candidate in some deep red state (Kansas, Alabama, etc.) and would be a complete disgrace here.

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