Some Thoughts on Immigration
Monday was the big day when immigrants, legal and illegal, protested across the state...and nation for that matter. Except for what I saw on TV and in the newspapers, I didn't notice anything different that day.
I'm troubled that things seem to be getting more polarized rather than calm and rational. It seems to me that dogmatists are making things harder, rather than easier, to come up with a solution. Dogmatists include those who say round all 11 million up and deport them immediately - and illegals who hold mass demonstrations waving Mexican flags - and multi-culturalists who seem bound and determined to permanently rupture this nation in the name of tolerance.
One of my brothers married a Peruvian national two years ago. She is a woman in her late 20's with an 11-year-old daughter. They're still filling out forms and hoping she will be able to get here some day. They are determined to do it right, but wondering why. So do I. Isn't it bizarre that if you try to do it right you get a mountain of paperwork and years of waiting; but if you just slip over the border, nothing happens? One of the most basic laws of economics is that what you punish, you get less of and what you reward, you get more of. How does it make any sense to punish people who try to follow the law while rewarding those who break it? And in the process, how many honorable people are we turning into scofflaws?
Meanwhile, my youngest brother is a police sergeant in a community with a substantial Hispanic population. He has to deal with the frontline problems of illegal immigration every day. Do you know who the most frequent victims of identity theft are? Try legal American citizens with Hispanic surnames. It makes sense when you think about it: if Juan Gonzalez slips over the border, it won't be plausible for him to steal the ID of, say, Jack Carter.
We did an amnesty in the 80's that was supposed to clear the decks for getting the situation under control. Instead it just triggered a new wave of massive illegal immigration. Thus, suspicions about anything that even resembles another form of amnesty are justified. Yet, we cannot hope to get the situation under control until the estimated 11 million illegals living in the shadows are dealt with. It simply is not realistic to believe that we are going to deport 11 million people, and I doubt it would have good results anyway.
Perhaps the biggest obstacle is Americans' reasonable lack of trust in the political will and intent of the governing class. If we put a one-time path to citizenship for those already here, it would have to be reasonable enough that illegals would come out of the shadows to exercise it. But it would also have to be coupled with a genuine and ongoing crackdown on any more illegal entries. Automatic deportation. And it would have to be further coupled with a significant streamlining of the procedures for legal immigration. If we did all of these things, we could get this under control, without going nativist. I believe in America as a beacon of hope to the world. But I also believe we have not only the right, but the obligation, to control our borders.
Right now the closet nativists who just dislike all things foreign can use the situation to vent their spleens. Meantime, the anything goes crowd forces more reasonable people to side with the nativists because they want immigrants to have all the benefits of citizenship, with few of the obligations. Meantime, they insist on atomizing a common culture.
I think former President Teddy Roosevelt had it right: when pressured by nativists to cut off immigration he insisted he would retain liberal policies on the matter. But he had two inflexible rules: all Americans would have one flag and one language. That recognized the uniqueness of American culture. America is not so much a matter of geography as a state of mind. To be an American one only has to embrace certain core principles. By making that leap, we were able to create a great stew, in which every group brought their own flavor, but we held together as one nation with one common destiny. I suspect that what the rabid multi-culturalists are succeeding in doing is replicating the tensions that wracked the old world in the new. And we had a means that had successfully integrated so many diverse peoples together.
One more observation that I find interesting. One would think the border with Mexico would be the easier one for Middle Eastern terrorists to get through. After all, many middle easterners could pass for Hispanic fairly easily. Yet most terrorist infiltrators who have tried to enter illegally have tried to come through Canada. I have asked some Hispanic groups why they think that is. They have all told me the same thing: that illegals know if a terrorist gets through, there would surely be a serious crackdown. So Hispanics at the border are careful to get the word to authorities when anyone in their ranks does not speak Spanish. That makes sense to me.
I know this is meandering, but I hope we can create policies that both protect and control our borders - and recognize the humanity of those who want to come here to build better lives for themselves and their families. It makes me mad to see protesters waving Mexican flags. It makes me mad to hear people describe others who are working three dead-end jobs to give their children an opportunity as parasites, too.
E pluribus unum. It's a good motto. If we live it, we can solve this thing with genuine justice for all.
13 comments:
Thank you for a reasonable post.
This issue causes some anguish for me, as I've described here:
http://blueollie.blogspot.com/2006/05/immigration-reform-brown-mans-thoughts.html
People took off work to join these demonstrations.
I think that's noteworthy and optimistic.
Compare it to the immigration riots in France recently.
One-time amnesty in 1986 and now another one-time amnesty = two-time amnesty. In 10 more years are we going to have another one-time amnesty = 3 time amnesty,etc. Sorry, been there done that.
Attrition is the answer. Enforce the laws ALREADY on the books and we will get there.
Also, illegal aliens as a whole ARE a drain on the economy/taxpayer.
Why bother with posting the following?
The person cites no facts and does nothing more than recite right wing jibberish.
This should be Example A as to why cable news and talk radio are failing America.
People now think that the following is relevant debate:
Anonymous said...
One-time amnesty in 1986 and now another one-time amnesty = two-time amnesty. In 10 more years are we going to have another one-time amnesty = 3 time amnesty,etc. Sorry, been there done that.
Attrition is the answer. Enforce the laws ALREADY on the books and we will get there.
Also, illegal aliens as a whole ARE a drain on the economy/taxpayer.
I just want to say three things.
1) Legal immigrants get things like a social security number. While identity theft is a big deal, I do not believe that just because illegal immigrants are illegal that they view themselves as criminals who would want to steal someone's identity. (I have no evidence to back this up, and I can't think of where to get such evidence)
2) Why don't middle eastern terrorists come through the mexican border. Well I believe there is much tighter security there than in Canada. According to the CIA factbook Mexico has 1% Other for ethnic groups that would include Arab and Canada has 6% Arab.
3) Enforce the laws on the books, Does anyone know the fines for a corporation that uses illegal immigrant labor? According to a comment on a page in the El Paso Times, in 1999 there were 400 fines issues. In 2004 there were 3 intents to fine, but none given. Is the fine based on each illegal immigrant employed or some kind of flat rate?
Skeeter said...
Why bother with posting the following?
The person cites no facts and does nothing more than recite right wing jibberish.
FACT: There was an amnesty in 1986.
FACT: There are many proposals in congress for amnesty AGAIN.
This idea got pitched to me today:
Any current non-citizen located within the US who has no felony criminal record could join the US military/National Guard for a four year enlistment.
In exchange, they could immediately designate up to four immediate members (no felony criminal records for anyone; and no criminal record within the last year) all who would be given green card status within 6 months of the individual's start of service in our armed forces, and all 5 individuals would begin processing to become formal naturalized US citizens following the completion of the 1 individual making the four year term of enlistment.
Totally fair - probably not, but when one thinks about it, there's some real possibilities with this proposal. Everybody talks about requiring the illegal immigrants to pay a fine or some type of penalty. Forget that. And the illegal immigrants all talk about how US is their home, well, this is a case of having opportunity knock.
This would be the best way I know to cut the extremists on both sides out of the debate (and out of the picture), and move the entire immigration debate forward. Is it a perfect solution? - NO, there's not one available. But it's potentially vastly superior than everything else out there.
Food for thought...
I like your idea, Wheels Turn. Currently, illegal immigrants can get citizenship by serving in the military...and many have taken advantage of it. But they are not allowed to designate family members. It seems unjust to me that someone willing to risk their life on behalf of us and our country can stay but cannot designate any family members for expedited citizenship. Yours is a very constructive proposal.
Charlie,
I like your common-sense position. I've been absolutely appalled and frustrated by the take-no-prisoners approach of the Tom Tancredo wing on the Right.
I'm a Christian conservative on most every issue--but I'm also somewhat pragmatic. Standing on the mountaintop, shouting our lungs off never gets anything. Done.
Here we have a chance for a real good step toward reform, perhaps the opportunity of a lifetime, and all the anti-illegal crowd does is poke a stick in the eye of millions of hard-working immigrants who just want a job.
Plus, for people of faith, there is the compassion issue. We feel for the huddled masses coming through the border, becasue they are moms and dads who just want to give their famlies an opportunity for a better life.
We need reform, we need a solution, but demonizing people like Bush and McCain who are proposing common-sense legislation is not the ticket.
Melissa -
Amnesty does not work. History proves it. The flow does not end, it increases (3 million got amnesty in 1986, now estimates are there are 11 million).
They are already criminals, they broke a law. Nothing can change that.
How about an off the wall solution? Annex Mexico. Make it the 51 st state. Probably cost us less than any other idea and would solve the illegal immigration issue.
Not practical? Is a wall? Is further Criminalization? Is amnesty?
It's spring, try planting this idea, give it plenty of water and sunlight (no additional fertilizer needed in this blog!) and see if it germinates...
Good luck in your campaign..how do you get anything done , seems like just yesterday your were in your last campaign...
Mekissa -
Sorry, never intended to suggest you were for amnesty, just makin my case to my elected representative. Setting up the premise of my crazy idea to annex Mexico, which you did not comment on ( I am glad you did not take the bait.
But if not annex, what can we do to improve mexicos economy and benefit everyone? We need to get creative.
Thanks. Keep up the good work
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