Mark Brown on the Burge Report
Mark Brown on the Burge Report. It's 292 pages so I won't have time to read it until the weekend.
I have a friend. His brother is a lawyer representing an enemy combatant in Gitmo. I mentioned the Burge case and he responded with all the details on the cop killers. No sympathy with Wilson, you deserve it buddy --and my friend is right.
It's easier to get worked up over Gitmo. It's a little more abstract. But Brown gets it right below.
I still don't think it will be an issue in any elections this November, but maybe I'm wrong.
People often ask why politics breaks down along racial lines in Chicago. The torture report helps explain that, too.
After a while you come to realize that a person's experiences and perceptions depend a great deal on the color of their skin. Nowhere is that more true than when it comes to attitudes toward police and police brutality.
In the African-American community, the group most often on the receiving end of such treatment, the torture allegations have long been accepted as fact, while those of us whose experiences with police are more positive remained skeptical.
I came to town in 1982, the year of Andrew Wilson's arrest for the killing of two police officers. The allegations that he had been tortured after his arrest were well known at the time. The public wasn't particularly concerned. Wilson's guilt wasn't in doubt and still isn't.
But looking the other way had its price. And $7 million doesn't begin to cover it.
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What is Bobbie Steele going to do about the County Burge report?
Burge is sick. This is sick.
Hickey defended Area 2.
Flint Taylor is sick, poor guy. That long hoped for jackpot is a long way off.
What I find laughable is the sanctimonious 'white-washed white paper' keening, because the special prosecutor's report didn't give Flint-Locke an IDIOT'S GUIDE TO PAYDAY. Two weeks ago, the Peoples Pettifoggers singing its praises like the Red Army Army Choir doing Sondheim.
BTW:where is the radiator (said to have burned Cop Killer Wilson) in Area 2?
It is easy to defend the torture because the guy was a cop killer, however, it was the torture which got him off the original death sentence. It would have been far better to professionaly convict the man and then put him to death. Instead we have countless millions of tax dollars wasted on reports and judgements and the cop killer gets to live a whole life.
Exactly! Garp, no is defending torture. I believe that the entire shabby episode has been clouded by 'activist' zeal and a less than forthright cascade of horrific allegations i.e. the mysterious electric shock device, Vietnam era - 'maybe Burge learned the torturer's arts in 'Nam' - and the non-existent radiator. Chain of command is largely ignored & etc.
Instead, Some Peoples Law Office will cart out race hate and oppression and cover-up. They have been at the plate twice before in Federal Court and took six strikes in a row. Now, a demand for Reparations from the Chicago City Council? Fois Gras n'cest pas?
Kids are shot and killed in Englewood, Gresham, Auburn and Grand Crossing every day1 Where is Some People's Law Office? Planning their next move at the jackpot.
Crimeny, Pat, you disagree with the People's Law Office's prioritieis, but they're not cops; it's not their job to go after shooters in Englewood. To deny that torture took place (and how else should we read your "show me the radiator, show me the torture device" comments) makes you look like a denier. Yeah, kids get killed in Englewood. Torture by the police happened, and it was and is wrong. Do you agree with that, or do you want to mock that, too?
I wonder if Mark Brown went over the Burge Repoert with Frank Coconate? Coconate exposed the Burge Report years ago.
"Exactly! Garp, no is defending torture. I believe that the entire shabby episode has been clouded by 'activist' zeal and a less than forthright cascade of horrific allegations i.e. the mysterious electric shock device, Vietnam era - 'maybe Burge learned the torturer's arts in 'Nam' - and the non-existent radiator. Chain of command is largely ignored & etc."
qouted from the poor mans internet blogger Steve Neal
Dignan has been determined to have tortured people. Dignan since 2003 has been an investigator for the States Attorney. All investigator, mostly ex CPD, go through Jerry Joyce. Devine still hired him even though he knew about torture since 1982, HE WAS BURGES ATTORNEY, and he oppossed all the motions for the torture victims. Maybe Terri Sanchez wasn't advising him at that time.
To dismiss the whole "shabby episode" (what is shabby electrocution, suffocation, forced confessions?)(that caused innocent men to go to prison, and cost the taxpayers millions upon millions, and may have let guilty men go free), "activist zeal"--maybe the PLO (Peoples Law Office not the other one with ties to the IRA)
but what about Egan and Boyle? or Alderman Smith? or Commissioner Peraica who was asking questions at the last meeting? or the other attorneys besides the PLO like Jon Loevy? Activists like Amnesty International, Northwestern Law School, DePaul law school.
There is a massive amount of medical evidence, corroborating testimony, eyewitnesses etc.
The less than forthright cascade--in your words has actually been very consistent with 100s of people who don't know each other.
How come these cops took the 5th and others avoided testifying--that is the horrifying cascade of lies by those in charge.
Do some research into the MP unit of Burge in Vietnam. They were accussed of using the field phones (called field phone polygraphs) to electrocute. It was commonly known and there were specific interviews from his unit (dealing with the use and unit and not him necessarily) Other officers have now talked about the "black box" and the medical reports of the doctors prove the electrocution but you seem to know more and diminish it because there is not a radiator. You seem to know a lot about Area 2 and having radiators or not.
Maybe we should research more into the Jerry Joyce RED SQUAD. Maybe Daley did know something here, but with the Boyle and Egan (two good Irish lads) report we will never know the truth but evil Richard Brezeck should of done more.
Hickey, so you don't believe torture happened?
Maybe Burge was a good cop and a stand up guy who solved a lot of crimes and was tough.
'They were accussed of using the field phones (called field phone polygraphs) to electrocute. It was commonly known and there were specific interviews from his unit (dealing with the use and unit and not him necessarily) Other officers have now talked about the "black box" and the medical reports of the doctors prove the electrocution but you seem to know more and diminish it because there is not a radiator.'
That they were 'accused of . . .' is a matter of fact Mr. & Mrs. Ayers (Billy and Bernadine Dorhn - convicted felons but great academic paragons) have been very up-front abouth their beliefs in this matter and John Conroy dedicated an entire 'Studs Terkleish' account of Vietnam veterans in a similar MP Unit to Burge's in an early June Reader ( he was even on Fox 32)- I read in between commercials for roller-derby.
'Might have' is not. Flint is upset that the jackpot is a long way off, but he is a dogged and determined ambulance chaser for Death Row.
Maybe some day, there will emerge an activist legal group to bring class-action suits and pressure to bear on the gangs that control the quality of life and the very lives of people in the inner city. But that's not sexy or in keeping with tenets of radical poli-think: undermine confidence in the police, the courts, and the elected officials - and take home a nice kettle of Frankilins at the end of the day.
BTW: what I believe shouldn't get your panties in a twist - I believe in a God that some say is merely crackers and wine. Don't worry about it - you got Flint's back and I'm just a voter.
Byrne, Dignan and Burge all great cops accused of torture and all IRISH
The report is by Boyle and Egan both IRISH
The States Attorney was Richard Daley IRISH (he doesn't believe in the crackers and wine)
and Dick Devine IRISH
Maybe they learned the torture not in Vietnam but in the genetic memory of when their great race was tortured by British SAS
The cops are IRISH
the States Attorney are IRISH
the report writers (who do conclude there was torture and Burge and certain officers should of been indicted) are IRISH
Don't really care about Locke or Taylor or your WASPY friends but do care about torture, justice, right and wrong
If cops torture that underimes all the institutions you talk about
Nowhere did I defend torture.
Unless by the 'tortured logic' of those who feel that my dismissal of the Flint-Locke Combine ( there's a word to set progressive hearts a flutter) as a pack of radical-doctrine spouting opportunists is a 'defence of torture' take your assumptions and hug them close to your breasts.
Like I said, don't worry about what I believe, have for lunch, apparel myself with Beau Brummel-like raiment, or quaff as beverage.
The Flint Locke Combine may or may not be bad BUT they did not torture people. There clients may or may not get or should or should not get a pay day BUT some of them were definitely tortured.
You may not have defended torture per se, but you minimize and diminish the torture under two premises:
1. Flint and Locke and Co. are bad, trying to make money, radical leftists who don't do anything postive.
and
2. There was no radiator in Area 2.
If you read the report, even for some of the bad guys, and mixed bag stuff--It definitely says that there was torture in Area 2 and Area 3 and that Burge, McDermott and at least three others should of been indicted at the time.
You seem to laugh the torture off, joke about it, and deflect the whole issue by criticizing Flint/Locke (not John Locke for clarification) Your sense of priorities does not seem right.
Do you admit there was torture?
Do you agree or disagree with the report?
What do you think Daley and/or Devine knew and did?
Electocuting testicals, suffocating, beating, coercing confessions, sleep deprivation, electocuting gums, choking, burning, throwing people out of windows, Russian Roullette (I did like the Deer Hunter), pointing guns at people, putting them down peoples throats
Many of these people were lowlifes and GUILTY BUT some were not guilty
and even if guilty I would like to live in at least quasi-civilization with some due process and human rights
In your beloved South Side Irish parade circa 1990 Burge was going to have a float for him sponsored by the FOP--that is why the institutions you cherish and your people run are undermined. That is why the race that you instruct at Leo does not trust the police.
It is called racism and brutality and no matter how much good you do at Leo or how bad Flint and Locke are--it can not justify Burge, Byrne, McDermott or Dignan.
By the way, Dignan got a State's Attorney investigator job in 2003 well after Devine knew about torture, EVERY investigator job--mostly to ex CPD many Irish, goes through Jerry Joyce, ex Red Squad (an ACLU consent decree includes his activities interesting reading material if you like legal cases between roller derby) There is a lot more that one can post but I am going to worship Crackers and Wine (I share that with you) and than have some overpriced Hagen Daaz Ice Cream with a beer. A nice South Side Irish connection with the Burge police torture scandal here. Burge had a beautiful head of red hair.
And to Hickey and all, especially those tortured and wrongly accused (like the Crackers and Wine was wrongly accused but we don't want to dwell into alleged anti-semitism here):
May the road rise up to meet you,
May the wind be ever at your back
May the sun shine warm upon your face
And the rain fall softly on your fields
And until we meet again, May God hold
you in the hollow of his hand
1. Flint and Locke and Co. are bad, trying to make money, radical leftists who don't do anything postive.
and
2. There was no radiator in Area 2.
And that is what they call a reasonable doubt.
1. Dick Devine was the First Deputy under Richard M. Daley as State's Attorney.
2. Dick Devine saw the letter from Police Sup Brzeczek and the medical report from Raba. Gave it to Kunkle and nobody did anything about it.
3. Dick Devine, in a clear conflict of interest and violating ethical legal principles, took Jon Burge as a client and represented him.
4. Dick Devine oppossed everyone of the 54 torture victims and death row (innocent and guilty) appeals, motions, pleading etc.
5. Dick Devine said there was no conflict for the Special prosecutor even though he was Burge's attorney and even though he was opposing everything and he was informed on the torture.
6. Dick Devine has hired some of the alleged torturers as late as 2003, and has not admitted anything or recognized any wrong.
7. Dick Devine is an attorney, and officer of the court, sworn an oath and is the State's Attorney.
THE ARDC AND STATE SUPREME COURT SHOULD MOVE FOR ETHICAL VIOLATIONS, AN INVESTIGATION AND DISBARRMENT PROCEEDINGS AGAINST DEVINE FOR CONFLICT AND OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. DEVINE SHOULD NOT BE AN ATTORNEY LET ALONE THE STATES ATTORNEY.
KUNKLE SHOULD NOT BE ON THE BENCH. HE PERJURED HIMSELF AND HAD 7 DIFFERENT INCONSISTENT STORIES.
Maybe they could hire your great Leo law friend DURKIN, he did a great job for Sorich/Slattery/Sullivan/McCarthy.
The tone of your suggestions and intimate knowledge of the 'real' truth in this matter indicate the accurate depth of your nature. Thanks for sharing.
The payday was not given to Flint and Taylor who seem to have legitimate points. The payday was given in the form of 7 million dollars to a whitewash report that blames Brecezek and not much else to 2 politically connected Irish lawyers. The taxpayers are paying Gardner Carton and Douglas, Freeborn and Peters, Dykema Gosset, Phelan, Pope a bunch of lawyers covering up torture and lying, former State's Attorney, mostly Irish attorneys.
So the tragedy of TORTURE (that the only thing Hickey seems to recognize is how bad Flint and Taylor are)is not only being covered up but is being paid for (about 20 million now) not to Flint and Locke but to a bunch of tax eating attorneys.
And only two weeks ago, Flint-Locke, The Trib, the Times, The Reader, The Peoples weekly and Citizens Alert hailed Egan and Boyle as professional and impartial - what happened?
The expensive report did not tie a noose. Imagine.
But the expensive report did say that there was torture and that Burge and some of the other officers would of been proven guilty BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT and should of been indicted.
There are many good things in the report but also many flaws.
And the conclusion of the report is that there was torture but that the statues have run to convict.
The point of the expensive report and the expensive lawyers is not to tie and noose but to get to some truth and justice.
Two weeks ago - 'when this report comes out it will sink Daley, Devine, racist white cops forever and bring about the dawning of a Golden Age gilded by the Peoples Revolutionary Justice.'
Today - 'the report is a fix by white racist political debtors to the racsist power structure that must be swept away once and for all!'
Fair Marin, who mouthpieced Chris and Mary Fogarty into jail for a crime they no where near had a part in; lost their life savings and continue to live under the cloud of the accusation of being an IRA hit team, who murdered the Langerts in Winnetka, fulmonates against the lack of truth in the report.
Fine but how about this -
'CORRUPT NEWS MEDIA personified by TV anchorwoman Carol Marin in my case, abetted the MI5/FBI criminals the same way they abetted the Omagh perpetrators - by blaming it on the RIRA and, by extension, McKevitt. Within days of the Langert massacre Buckley got Marin to announce on prime-time network TV that “the IRA are linked to Langert murders.” When I phoned her the next day to learn the basis for her “scoop,’ she told me that her source was “an FBI agent.” When I asked her how she had met her responsibility to verify it she said she had not done so but had accepted the uncorroborated word of the FBI. She never issued a correction; and the rest of the news media parroted her lies.'
http://lark.phoblacht.net/fogarty.
Fair is fair. Truth is a moveable feast I guesss.
Did Burge torture 200 people? I do not know. If torture did in fact take place, and the report clearly states that it did, someone knew and some one was responsible to mete out an investigation and that person, or persons was Police Superintendent and the person who appoints the Poice Superintendent.
There were allegations of torture going back to 1982. I busy school teacher like me had heard about them. I would suspect that many Police Superintendents amnd Chicago Mayors knew what had happened. That would be Police Superintendents and Mayors:
Jane Byrne
Harold Washington - he heard nothing of this?
David Orr - always on top of Peoples' Issues
Eugene Sawyer - a very good souled man, if there ever was one
Richard Daley - who fired Burge
Is chain of command, like progressive truth, a moveable feast?
Hell, I'm just a voter.
'when this report comes out it will sink Daley, Devine, racist white cops forever and bring about the dawning of a Golden Age gilded by the Peoples Revolutionary Justice.'
WHO SAID THIS????
THE REPORT DOES SAY THAT THERE WAS RACIST WHITE COPS WHO TORTURED PEOPLE?
THE REPORT STILL COULD NEGATIVELY AFFECT DALEY AND DEVINE???
Today - 'the report is a fix by white racist political debtors to the racsist power structure that must be swept away once and for all!'
THE REPORT CERTAINLY DOESN'T THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX TO GET SOME CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS GOING.
DALEY AND DEVINE LET THE STATUTES RUN AND AT LEAST DEVINE HAD THE TIME AND KNOWLEDGE.
THE REPORT CERTAINLY DOES NOT GIVE ENOUGH REPSONSIBLITY TO DALEY OR DEVINE.
FOGARTY IS A GOOD GUY. CAROL MARIN WAS WRONG.
WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH BURGE TORTURE AGAIN?????
Fair is fair. Truth is a moveable feast I guesss.
ACTUALLY IF YOU ARE A CRACKERS AND WINE WORSHIPPER AND INTO CATHOLIC EDUCATION TRUTH IS OBJECTIVE, ETERNAL AND ABSOLUTE a la ARISTOTLE AND AQUINAS
There were allegations of torture going back to 1982. I busy school teacher like me had heard about them. I would suspect that many Police Superintendents amnd Chicago Mayors knew what had happened. That would be Police Superintendents and Mayors:
DALEY WAS STATES ATTORNEY WHO CONVICTED 54 PEOPLE WHO WERE ALLEGEDLY TORTURED.
DALEY WAS STATE'S ATTORNEY FROM 80 to 89, MAYOR DURING THIS TIME 89-93
BIGGEST TIME PERIOD, BIGGEST RESPONSIBILITY
Black people are voters too not just Hickey or Irish
YES HICKEY THE COPS WERE BRUTAL IRISH RACIST TORTURERS
Any African American who votes for Richard Dick Devine is stupid.
HE WAS BURGES LAWYER.
PURE RACISM
Gee, Liam,
Liam,
With a lock on the truth and Aristotle/Aquinas and Carol Marin ( she's harping on incomplete reporting of Human Rights abuses in her column today, Liam, but defers a'la Daley to not speak on a past crime) and all those other anticeptically souled folks gunning for the bad guys, you can't lose. Why so shrill, Liam?
What does Carol Marin have to do with any of this?
What does Carol Marin have to do with the Burge report?
What does Flint Locke have to do with torture?
Who is Fogarty?
You can read the Special Prosecutors Report (it is not called the "Burge" report online linked in a PDF file from the Chicago Tribune--www.chicagotribune.com)
I am not sure why the lawyers from the Plaintiffs didn't like it. It doesn't blame Daley but it is clear there was some bad things going on and some people should of gone to jail. But it was a different era and the Wilson brothers were cop killers.
Some of the others may have been innocent. It does make me sick what was done so I am not justifying at all.
Read the report, it is long, but read the conclusion, very interesting, very scary.
Burge is a sick racist sociopath.
So are the people trying to cover it up including the witty Hickey and his word games to justify bad things.
Pat Hickey is a poor sick guy.
He equates whatever Flint Taylor and Locke do with torture.
He diminsishes minimizes and even denies torture and justifies bad behavior no evil behavior.
Jon Burge was going to have his own float (Seriously) in the South Side Irish Parade 1990. Stand up guy.
What if African American police officers in Michigan electocuted the testicles of Patrick Daley or beat and tortured him into a confession when that Filipino kid got put in a coma when Patrick threw that party at the summer home (was it a hate crime?????
Would there have been indictments or a special prosecutor to get those cops???
What if police or DEA tortured and suffocated and choked Daniel Joyce the son of former Senator and O'Hare businessman Jeremiah Joyce when he was dealing cocaine???
What if burned him, or didn't let him sleep or threw him out a window??
Do you think the Senator would of changed his mind about police abuse and forced confessions?
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