Monday, April 23, 2007

Rambling Thoughts About Business Reaction to the GRT

As the opposition witness slips from business groups representing every sector of the Illinois economy were being read off at the Senate Committee hearing on the GRT last week, the thought crossed my mind, “This is the strength of the GRT. Because it is so broad and hits everybody, the rate can be low. Everybody pays a little bit and the burden is spread out.”

If an alternative tax is passed, pity the business sectors that aren’t able to scramble their way out of being hit with that tax, because the rate of any alternative will be much higher than the GRT. Each business sector shouldn’t be thinking how bad the GRT is, but how much worse an alternative might be when they are one of the few sectors being taxed.

In putting out their analysis this week of the economic effects of the GRT, the Realtors used the same assumptions as the Tax Foundation, every business that is part of the production chain passes the entire tax on. Nothing else changes for any business that is not at the end of the line. Then they point to the last business in line and say, wow, look at how much that business is paying! In the Tax Foundation example, one small firm ends up paying the entire tax for 30 larger firms. Not likely!

Of course, we could just tax the last business in line. It is called a sales tax. To match the revenue from the GRT, the state sales tax would have to be raised from 5% to nearly 11%, which would make the combined state and local sales tax rate in Cook County 15.75%. Haven’t heard anyone promoting that plan!

I was in the State of Washington in February. Looked around. Didn’t seem to be any businesses missing! The supermarkets were fantastic. Retail, wholesale, manufacturing, banking, lawyers, all seemed to be present and accounted for.

Costco Wholesale, Microsoft, Washington Mutual, Weyerhaeuser, Paccar, Amazon.com, Nordstrom, Starbucks, Safeco, and Expeditors, all growing their way into the Fortune 500 and all prospering. The Boeing manufacturing plants are still there. The Washington gross receipts tax, in place since 1935, didn’t seem to be chasing anybody away, or causing much of a problem. Jobs in Washington last year grew 62% faster than the national average.

Don’t know how the Tax Foundation explains this one after all the bad things they have said about the Governor’s proposal. Hawaii has had a gross receipts tax (no sales tax) for 30 odd years and also has a relatively high personal income tax and very low property taxes. In commenting on Hawaii’s tax structure in its 2007 report on state business tax climates, the Tax Foundation wrote, “Hawaii’s overall rank, 24th best, would be much higher if the state could reform its individual income tax without causing damage elsewhere in what is otherwise a good tax system.” Most of the “otherwise” part is a gross receipts tax.

My good friend Tom Johnson, of the Taxpayers Federation, twice last week at public forums quoted an article saying only 16% of state services benefit business, and wanted to know if it was fair to ask business to pay more than 16% of the taxes. I read the article and looked at how the author allocated benefits. I would ask Tom these questions: Does business really get no benefit at all from our community colleges or universities? Would a business locate in a state with no schools? Does business benefit from the state paying the heath care costs of low wage workers that don’t get health benefits from work? How much would highway costs go down if there were only cars and no fully loaded 18-wheelers pounding the concrete?

Probably the most useful thing I have learned in 30 years as a professional economist: if you want to understand the numbers that come out at the end of a study, look at the assumptions made at the beginning of the study.

14 comments:

Anonymous,  12:44 PM  

What's the income tax rate in Washington?

Jeff Trigg 12:46 PM  

The state sales tax is 6.25%, not 5%. And how does your gross receipts tax rate compare with the other states you mention? 3 times higher? 8 times higher? 14 times higher in some cases? Why aren't you in favor of eliminating the sales tax entirely, like Hawaii, instead of just piling on another tax?

I'd also like you tell all the taxpayers of Illinois why it is "fair" for them to have to pay even higher taxes for $200,000/year government employee pensions with full benefits, discounted ILLINOISAIR flights for cronies, baseball fields and sporting events when they already have to deal with higher gasoline prices and electricity rate spikes? The poverty rate in Illinois has increased this decade. Wages have remained stagnant and Illinois is well below average in job creation. Exactly how does this GRT not do more harm than good?

Anonymous,  1:00 PM  

Jeff,

You would be opposed to the GRT even if it just went to healthcare, education and pensions.

Oh wait. It does.

Extreme Wisdom 3:35 PM  

Anon,

Health care bureaucracy, Education bureaucracy, and the pensions for the retirees for those and other bureaucracies...

ARE NOT BUYING Health care (clinics), Education (connected neurons), or any other services Mr. Kane says Business "benefits" from.

$$ fo $$, community colleges are a GREAT educational value. Yet, the money is poured into a protected K-12 wasteland where spending has exploded and class size has been shrunk - all to little or no avail.

The Kanes and the Schnorfs of Illinois know that the money from the GRT or HB750 will be poured into the same wastefull structures, and simply refuse to entertain the idea that the same (or even less) spending could easily meet IL needs if the pigs would just back away from the trough.

Oh well, as they keep reminding me and the Jeff Triggs of the world - they have the votes.

They tax and spend for the same reason that dogs lick their...well, you know. Because they can.

Anonymous,  4:40 PM  

Douglas Kane wrote: To match the revenue from the GRT, the state sales tax would have to be raised from 5% to nearly 11%, which would make the combined state and local sales tax rate in Cook County 15.75%. Haven’t heard anyone promoting that plan!


Actually, conservatives are promoting a 30% national sales tax (and lying about it). Adding in local and state taxes would bring it to nearly 50%.

Yellow Dog Democrat 4:53 PM  

How in the world can you compare the tax climate in Illinois with the tax climate in Hawaii?

Illinois is bordered by five states working aggressively to steal jobs from us every day. Hawaii is surrounded by thousands of miles of water.

Illinois is trying desperately to hold on to the 678,000 manufacturing jobs it has -- a loss of 55,000 since Rod Blagojevich became Governor. Hawaii has 15,000 manufacturing jobs -- a number that has remained relatively unchanged in 10 years -- and 109,000 Leisure and Hospitality jobs by contrast.

Illinois' Gross Receipts Tax would be in addition to all existing taxes. Hawaii's Gross Excise Tax replaced the sales tax at a statewide rate of 4%, and for all wholesalers, manufacturers, and most other intermediary services is set at .5%, to prevent excessive tax pyramiding.

Doug, the problem with you, the Governor, and the folks calling the shots in that office is you really do think we're that stupid. We know the difference between apples and oranges, and between apple pie and a lemon.

JBP 5:19 PM  

The argument that businesses will learn how to live with a GRT is ridiculous. Sure, there will be special interest pleading, loopholes, more pandering to politicians etc.

The question becomes, do we really want the politicians controlling yet another aspect of the economy or do we trust the common sense of the average person to determine how to make a living in Illinois?

If the State had even a marginal track record on economic development vs. special interest shennanigans, it might be worth a listen to the GRT. But the current administration, and every previous one in memory (perhaps less Otto Kerner, convicted, strangely enough)have a perfect track record of corruption, malfeasance, and pandering to special interests.

How about the State Government backing away from the trough this one time and giving their spending a second thought before penalizing the State of Illinois with the GRT?

JBP

JBP 5:57 PM  

This statement

"Does business really get no benefit at all from our community colleges or universities?"

shows the miserable nature of this argument quite well. While businesses pay loads of property and income taxes already, the State continues to cut funding for the Universities, and totally mismanages the Pensions, compelling top professors to jump ship to out of state universities.

So, while our students (and their parents) are asked to carry more of their own weight at school, our Governor takes a free pass on providing support for higher eduction, yet, our pleaders demand that business pay more to get less.

I'll toss this out to the GRT supporters, before anyone even comes to the table with you, how about ending early retirement padding first? Immediate dismissal of any claims of lack of funds until the early retirement padding is ended.

Anonymous,  12:09 AM  

Yellow Dog -

I think he was talking about Washington mostly, and their economy, which has not suffered from having a GRT. I don't know whether you object to the tax, or the rate that has been proposed, but there are liberals and conservatives around the country that like the idea of the GRT. Even tax groups like Mr. Trigg's have expressed support for it in other states, like Ohio, Washington and Texas. I guess it depends on who is donating to them at the time...

Also, I don't think anybody thinks anybody is stupid.

They would probably say you are naive because you are only thinking taxes, taxes, taxes all the time, and ignoring the fact that healthcare is the greatest cost increase for businesses today. That the vast majority of businesses will save more from a healthcare plan than any potential tax or cost increases they may, potentially, face.

It is clear that they just have a different perspective than you.

And, I must point something out to you regarding jobs. You are right that Illinois has lost 55,000 manufacturing jobs, yes. But it has also gained 81,000 Professional and Business jobs, and 61,000 health and education jobs, for example.

This isn't a downward spiral, it is a shift to modernity. The 4.2% unemployment rate in Illinois is a good thing - we aren't in bad shape.

And for those of you like jbpowers and extreme wisdom: Illinois also has over 16,000 fewer government jobs.

Anonymous,  12:14 AM  

In summary to my post above. I am just trying to point out that Illinois is not in a sorry situation.

That politicians aren't out to get you.

That businesses are doing well.

We should enjoy this and focus on making it better. When I hear the doom and gloom statements from the likes of commenters here, it rings a little hollow for me.

Extreme Wisdom 8:37 AM  

Johnr wrote:

You are right that Illinois has lost 55,000 manufacturing jobs, yes. But it has also gained 81,000 Professional and Business jobs, and 61,000 health and education jobs, for example.

And then wrote:

And for those of you like jbpowers and extreme wisdom: Illinois also has over 16,000 fewer government jobs.
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I hate to break this to you, but education jobs are for the most part "government jobs" - with al the waste and featherbedding and patronage that they entail.

Further, you can't seperate "government jobs" from the State/Local axis that is so effective at creating them.

In school districts all over IL, existing "government jobs" have seen compensation explode - all for people who haven't added one erg of productivity to pay for that explosion.

Add to the that the obscene run up of unnecessary employment at the adminstrative level (Coordinators, Directors, Assistant Coordinators & Directors etc etc) and the "class size" teacher employment schemes, and you have a system of "government jobs" run amok.

Your Pollynniash post is therefore par for the course for bright-eyed and bushy-tailed do-gooders.

It sound rosy to anyone who doesn't know what's going on.

Illinois is effectively bankrupt (see the Civic Commission Report), and these tax increases (GRT, HB750) are not going to go to kid's health care or to Community Colleges.

The dollars are going to fund a) the past due bills from the last round of pork engorgement, and b) the downpayment for the next round of pork engorgement.

The "kids & schools" will get a small chunk of a "new program" that will be funded just enough to create the demand for more, leading to the pretext for the next big 2009 tax increase.

JBP 9:53 AM  

Anyone actually do a count as to what happens when State Government loses a headcount? I don't have the numbers, but ancedotally, there seems to be a lot of people who:

1) Take early retirement.
2) Gain their pension
3) Get healthcare coverage for the rest of their lives.
4) Go back to work for the State as a contractor.

I think it might be a good idea to do the arithmetic as to how much total payroll, including contractors is being spent.

JBP

steve schnorf 11:38 PM  

Wisdom,

I don't tell you that "we" have the votes for the status quo. I tell you that you don't have (anywhere near) the votes for the specific changes you would like to see. Those are very different concepts.

I believe there are positive changes that could and should be made in out public education system. Blowing it up isn't one of them. But it's not my fault that the general public, and the people they elect to the GA and local school boards, don't support your proposals. They stand or fall under their own weight.

Extreme Wisdom 7:23 AM  

Steve,

Nothing that leaves the current structure in place will do anything for the children because the current structure is about feeding the protected bureaucracy.

Let's hear about any "positive changes" on your menu. I'm all for incremental improvement, if indeed, that is what it is.

As for the votes for my changes, I've always said that you were correct - for the time being. I've noticed that when regular everyday folk hear about the obscene run ups and the substandard curricula (even in the suburbs) they start to listen.

The current system is indefensible in any circumstance, and votes or no, there is a benefit to pointing that out.

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