Monday, June 04, 2007

Conservative Extremists Putting the War in "Culture Wars"

(Forgive me if the formatting is off here. This is my first post for Illinoize.)


There's a reason conservatives coined the term "Culture Wars".

Ever notice how (with the brief exception of hard-left violence during the 60s and other occasional points) almost all of the domestic-bred terrorism here in these United States have come at the hands of the hard-right? In recent memory, conservatives Tim McVeigh and Eric Rudolph come to mind. Even back to the horrific lynchings and the like in the 19th century and certainly throughout the 20th century, it has been conservatives committing these acts of violence.

Several others have taken note also as Meteor Blades explains. This violent streak is especially evident in recent weeks (not years, weeks) as domestic terrorism plots have been foiled at scenes as different as a counterprotest at pro-immigration rally in Washington, DC and the funeral of Rev. Jerry Falwell (plus at least a handful of other similar cases on issues ranging from virulently anti-abortion to ardently pro-2A).

The only difference between those two "caught-in-the-act" terrorist plots and the recent Ft. Dix and JFK plans -- which garnered a great deal more media attention -- is that the immigration march and the funeral plots involved white conservatives (with at least the funeral plotters claiming to be "Christian") that had enough finances and were caught red-handed with actual, live weapons. Indeed, one of the suspects in the thwarted Falwell funeral bombing actually traveled to Virginia from Ft. Benning, GA in an effort to carry out the attempted terrorist act.

This is as opposed to the Ft. Dix and JFK plots which involved minority Muslims who had no financing, let alone explosive devices or any weapons whatsoever. Moreover, while the march and funeral plotters were each directly involved with conservative movements, the much-more-publicized Muslim guys were rogue al Qaeda wannabe copycatters, not affiliated with anyone.

Watchdog blogger Dave Niewart posits that the underlying issue is that such conservative extremists have fairly successfully embedded themselves into the mainstream conservative movement vis a vis the Republican Party and other entities. This would, in part, explain why the mainstream media has all but ignored these stories -- they sadly appear to actually be mainstream enough in and of themselves. Writes Mr. Niewart:

No, the real problem with the far right has been its ability to insinuate itself back within the mainstream during the years of Republican rule in this new century, building on the bridges created during the surge of hateful rhetoric and envelope-pushing that characterized the conservative movement in the 1990s. The extremist right, particularly its racist/paranoid factions, have long been seeking this kind of resinsertion; certainly, the militia movement of the '90s was a direct manifestation of this effort. The result has been a steady rightward drag of mainstream conservatism, to the point that now it is virtually unrecognizable as anything genuinely conservative.

So far this century, we've seen a real growth of far-right rhetoric, and the march of its agenda, manifesting itself in such shapes as the Minutemen -- who are in fact almost direct descendants of the '90s militias -- and various cultural eugenicists posing as "immigration reformers" and twisting the national debate on immigration in truly perverse directions; Christian "Dominionists" who want to turn the United States into a theocratic state; and most of all, a real culture of totalism fueled by an increasingly ugly tide of eliminationist rhetoric.

Mr. Niewart takes a national view of things. Of course, here in Illinois we have our own borderliners who may be susceptible to crossing over from angry talk to violent action at any time. The folks at Illinois Carry seem a lively bunch and they really, really like any and all guns ... so a citizen can easily put two and two together yourself. (Remember, Tim McVeigh, et al, attacked the Murrah Federal Building in OKC on the anniversary of the Branch Davidian stand-off in Waco, TX. They did so to start a revolution against, in part, a government they thought wanted to take away their guns, among other things.) These are the same folks who came out to counterprotest, and clearly attempt to intimidate, Rev. Jesse Jackson and fellow anti-violence marchers a few weeks ago.

Another branch of the vitriolic conservative clans comes in the form of the just-this-short-of-racist groups misnamed as "Minutmen", of which Illinois boasts a couple. Nevermind the very oddity of our state being home to such groups since Illinois borders neither Mexico nor Canada ... maybe these Minutemen consider cheesheads, hoosiers, bluegrassers, show-mes and hawkeyes to also be highly offensive for pouring over our state's lines. Every time I've seen these folks in action or read their acrid remarks they literally ooze hate and loathing. And being awash in inflammatory statements like "Forth in revolution!" and violent rhetoric like "I have chosen as my weapons -- for the time being -- a pen -- for the pen IS mightier than the sword -- but time may be running out", it's not too surprising to see learn from Mr. Niewart that such groups often have roots in both radical militia movements and supremacy-based separatist organizations.

Then there are the Dominionist folks at Illinois Family Institute and Culture "we say we're Christian, but we oppose a Hate Crimes Bill" Campaign (and even related local pushing-rhetoric-to-the-extreme bloggers such as nurse Jill Stanek, Petey "hates gay parents with babies" LaBarbera or those found at Illinois Review) who appear to loathe any interpretation of the Bible or Constitution other than their own narrow, cherry-picked, quasi-literalist views.

Given the short leap from heated, angry vitriol against one or another minority demographic to actual violence against those folks and their allies ... it's easy to see how the extreme rhetoric from the groups could easily become a catalyst that pushes some impressionable acolyte across the line (even as IFI, CC, Illinois Review and the others may not overtly promote violence themselves). In fact, as Dave Niewart points out, the acid-tongued militantism of Ann Coulter, G. Gordon "shoot ATF Agents in the head" Liddy, and more serve to poke and prod borderliners into actually crossing over toward violence and self-believed vigilantism as was the case with hoax anthraxer Chad Castagana whose sole aim (inspired by Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Laura Ingraham and the Free Republic forums) was to harm people he considered liberal because he hated them.

From a top-line, forest-view perspective it's fascinating to see how the once grand national Republican Party has allowed itself to be cored and have that hollowed-out center of a formerly moderate to right-leaning political organization replaced with extremists who are constantly pulling, even jerking, the national party to a hard-line brand of conservativism (see this discussion of the simmering 2006 internal debate between Republican operatives and Dominionist leaders as witness to the current importance of the hard-liners to the party). Contrast that internal acceptance of the Republicans' extremist ranks to the national Democratic Party which in recent times has generally rejected the similarly extremist hard-left, leaving those folks to go to the budding Green Party or other organizations.

It's also very interesting to see how Illinois' Republican Party and that of a few other states is different from the RNC in this regard. While we do have our local conservative firebrands (here, here and here, among others) constantly trying to tug political debate rightward, whether subtly or overtly, there are a great many other 'channels' toward which Illinoisans can choose to tune their attention (whether "tuning" their radio, their reading, their Net surfing, their TV, etc)... and thus they are not incessantly bombarded by a singular hard-right viewpoint.

"Combine" that with Illinois' historic reputation of legislative across-the-aisle back-scratching and perhaps this is why the Prairie State's small band of conservative bedfellows is forced to simply nip at the heels of this state's Republican Establishment, rather than be wholly embraced by it.

(h/t Meteor Blades for the pertinent summary of nationally-oriented essays on this topic.)

(c/p at Illinois Reason. Please post comments there, though I have turned on the comment feature here also.)

24 comments:

Bill Baar 1:54 PM  

Prarie State Blue aka SoapBox Chicago's the only blog I've known to celebrate local terrorists... they've changed it to flowers now...

It's Father Pfleger out there talking about snuffing people... I thought if he wanted to talk tough, he should take to the gangbangers themselves, but they'll snuff you back, which is why I think he limits it merchants instead.

If you throw in Blagojevich's Sister Muhammed, I would venture to say it's progressives rather than cultural conservatives with a penchant for extremist sorts of talk and images.

Then we have the folks who wanted to name the street after Fred Hampton of course....

When Fran Eaton is out there calling to rename a street after some guy who blew up an abortion clinic, maybe I'll buy into it...

JBP 2:09 PM  

What Lunacy,

Leftist Bombers Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn are faculty at UIC and Northwestern respectively, a leftist Priest incites violence, and a leftist Press refuses to report it, a series of Chicago Police Officers are caught smacking around people in bars, while Rob would have us believe that the Illinois Family Institute is somehow extreme?

Opposition to same-sex marriage is a far cry from threatening to "snuff" out shopowners for disagreeable politics.

JBP

Rob Nesvacil 2:20 PM  

Bill, Didya miss the part wherein I wrote that the hard-left has also had its share of extremism?

And how is Father Pfleger's over-the-top comment any different than "jokes" from Minutemen about beating people's heads in or flyers from Minutemen depicting machine guns being used to mow down pregnant women?

You've apparently also missed all the news reports (there've been so many, not) on Dominionist outfits which ostensibly seek to engage young teens with wizz-bang shows ostensibly promoting Christianity -- but which end up militarizing the entire thing in subconcious references to End Times battles. They're called "Battle Cry" events and this is what they look like.

Bill Baar 2:22 PM  

It's the coziness of the Progressive Prez candidates I'm concerned with...

It would be hard to find an analog among Conservatives (or many Liberals for that matter) to Sen. Obama's courting of progressives at the home of Ayers and Dohren too back in 1995.

Find Giuliani, McCain, Romney, etc anywhere close to people with those kinds of convictions.

Bill Baar 2:34 PM  

Convictions like legal ones...not beliefs...

It took the Progressive City of Madison and U of W 37 years to commemorate the murder by anti-war activists of Robert Fassnacht.

Until Friday, he was largely forgotten on campus. In 2001, the university unveiled a plaque dedicated to the 1960s anti-war movement. The plaque notes the protests culminated with the blast but does not mention Fassnacht.

Rob Nesvacil 3:55 PM  

I had intended for this to be related to these groups manifested in Illinois, but it certainly is a national issue.

Somehow Bill I can't take your word for it given you're apparent comfort with Pres. Bush's coziness to groups like Falwell's Liberty University which produced the would-be funeral bombers (and the related Regent University from Pat Robertson) as well as his embrace of Dominionist "armies" like "Battle Cry"?

Bush has hired scores of Regent University lawyers for his administration and even appointed Battle Cry founder Ron Luce to a White House post and has promoted Battle Cry's efforts with letters of support.

Extreme Wisdom 4:42 PM  

Rob,

Thanks for including WKRS in with WIND and WLS, as we have as good or better hosts (but less of a signal). You warm my heart.

As for conservative groups "nipping at the heels" of the IRP, I notice that this coincides with the IRP no longer even being able to "nip at the heels" of winning a statewide race.

Congrats on getting on Illinoize.

You are certainly moving up in the world. Are you being groomed for a run against Matt Murphy or Sid Mathias (not that Sid is a Republican)?

Rob Nesvacil 4:51 PM  

And another thing, Bill... You originally wrote: "When Fran Eaton is out there calling to rename a street after some guy who blew up an abortion clinic, maybe I'll buy into it..."

Yet Ms. Eaton is in fact consistently and constantly promoting the false notion that Sen. Obama's church is led by some sort of kooky "separatist" movement (she even started out calling it, also false, a "supremacist" movement but has since backed off that caustic tripe). It's not that far a step removed from calling for some sort of retaliation against "separatism"...

As I wrote, I'm not saying Fran Eaton or other Ill. Review contributors are specifically calling for violence themselves, but demonstrably false theories like this certainly help grease the wheels and give conservative terrorists like Eric Rudolph or Chad Castagana all the "quasi-moral" excuse they need to cross that thin red line into immoral anarchy.

Both political philosophies (conservative and liberal) are guilty of hosting violent extremists (which I clearly wrote in my first paragraphs). The point however is that the conservative movement seems to embrace their extreme elements whereas the modern liberal movement tends to eschew such fringes.

Rob Nesvacil 5:00 PM  

Bruno,

Not in their districts and haven't even considered such a thing in the first place -- I'm happy doing just what I do to volunteer for our community. Sid's a nice guy and I generally agree with most of his work. Matt's also a very nice guy, though some of his moves do chafe against my beliefs and values.

As for IRP and Illinois' conservative movement (such as it is), a bigger issue is that Illinoisans by and large simply don't buy into the overall national conservatives' rightward drift. That's not an across the board statement, but you can clearly see a political shift as suburban moderates. For the longest time they were the pendulum that kept Illinois Republican statewide but Democratic nationally.

As the national Republicans have moved further and further right, however, the Chicagoland suburbanites have remained moderate -- and started voting Democratic more often and more consistently as a result.

It's not for wont of trying among Illinois' conservatives. I'll note there is no Illinois equivalent (that I know of) to WKRS let alone 'LS, and even WCPT (Chicago Air America affiliate) is designed to compete with the national syndicated shows (such as those on WIND, WLS, etc) with little direct local "progressive" programming.

Rob Nesvacil 5:02 PM  

PS Bruno, why would Rich's invitation to post to his group blog imply anyone is being groomed for anything? His career is in covering political news, not making it.

JBP 5:59 PM  

"whereas the modern liberal movement tends to eschew such fringes"

While Obama dines with the bombers, how is this fringe being eschewed?

While Jan Schakowsky issues statements of support for Venezuelan Dictator Hugo Chavez, how is the fringe being eschewed?

While the Chicago Media holds up a riot-leading Leftist clergyman as an expert on preventing violence, how is the fringe being eschewed?

There is a major difference between the rather tame political rhetoric of the Illinois Review and documented violence of the Illinois Left.

JBP

Rob Nesvacil 7:01 PM  

How many times do I have to say that both political sides are guilty of such behavior before you actually read it and comprehend it? But the fact that both sides have their fringe elements belies the larger fact that it is the conservative movement which has not only embraced such violence but actively encourages it through the likes of G. Gordon Liddy, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, etc.

More to the point, are your few examples bombing people still? It was a few short years ago that G. Gordon Liddy encouraged conservatives to shoot ATF Agents in the head ... shortly thereafter conservatives Tim McVeigh + crew bombed Oklahoma City's federal building.

And even today, in literally the past few weeks, we've seen conservatives who are actively pursuing bombing and shooting rampages. It's only a matter of time before one of those bombs kill people instead of being found before its murderous detonation.

On your second point, I didn't realize Hugo Chavez was an American liberal. When did that happen JB? I've been discussing American politics in general, and Illinois politics in particular. And you have to ask yourself just who are the people protesting and rioting against Pres. Chavez, JB, committing violence in retaliation for his policies aimed at equalizing Venezuala's huge gap between rich and poor?

Finally, what riot did Fr. Pfleger induce in recent days? Yes, his statement was just as over the top as those of Ron Luce, James Dobson, Don Wildmon, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and many, many more conservatives. Difference is Fr. Pfleger is not anywhere near as much a national figure as those conservative Dominionists I mention here; nor is he embraced wholesale by Democratic presidential candidates as opposed to the pandering being done by John McCain, Mitt Romney, Sam Brownback, etc. among the "religious right".

For every one instance of this sort of thing happening on the left, it's all too easy to find a handful or more of it happening among conservatives. And that's exactly what I mean by embracing, or not embracing, a given political fringe.

JBP 7:58 PM  

"How many times do I have to say that both political sides are guilty" As you refuse to acknowledge there is a difference between the political rhetoric of the Illinois Family Institutue, and criminal lunacy of blowing up a building, I dont think there is any point to you assigning guilt to much of anyone.

Shackowsky is from Evanston. Theoretically, she supports her district in Washington DC. She is a prime backer of leftist thug Hugo Chavez in the House. While Jerry Falwell etc may have made many ill-advised statements in his day, I don't think he ever lead a mob out to "snuff" a shopowner that did not share his political beliefs.

Timothy McVeigh, a lunatic bomber, was duly executed on June 11, 2001. Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, also lunatic bombers, are made faculty members at prestigious Universities, and host fundraisers for Obama.

Neither, the Illinois Family Institute nor the United Republican Fund, both legitimate political players, unlikely to bomb the University of Wisconsin, belong on your crazy list.

JBP

Rob Nesvacil 10:17 PM  

JB,

Your power of conflation is amazing.

You jump from Rep. Schakowsky to a foreign president to a Chicago Catholic priest all in the same paragraph... when only two of those are even remotely related.

You then go on to a compare radical conservatives who killed hundreds of "targets" (including many children) in one deadly day to radical liberals who (other than accidentally killing some of their own and having other members killed by police) did indeed set off bombs but did not kill any "targets".

And finally, you complete your conflation carousal by again ignoring what I've written to say the exact same thing I said... IFI may not specifically promote violence but their heated rhetoric can clearly be viewed as a gateway toward a blow-up. Like a gret many other conservatives (again: Liddy, Ingraham, Coulter, Malkin, etc.) these groups which push an extreme agenda serve only one purpose -- to radicalize their base and lather them up. Ostensibly, this lathering up is in order to promote an engagement in the political process but it clearly also pushes many borderliners past the realm of civil conduct, just as the Weather Underground did years back.

JB, even worse than negligently comparing apples to oranges, you are erroneously comparing bad apples to a rotten orchard.

As I told another contrarian at Illinois Reason -- perhaps my statement of the facts above is hitting too close for your comfort level.

PS: You almost sound jealous of Ayers and Dohrn which is bizarre.

JBP 7:18 AM  

Ridiculous,

You are comparing rhetoric with violence. Being against a "hate-crimes" bill for libertarian reasons is not the least bit similar to blowing up a building. I have not seen, nor do I think I will ever see the Illinois Family Institute either advocating or performing violence in the name of politics.

Attempting to paint legitimate political organziations as somehow violent or extreme in a guilt by association post is the worst sort of propaganda.

JBP

Anonymous,  9:08 AM  

Rob,

Well, your first post was a disappointment. The last thing this blog needs is another immature, irrational partisian hack. Wouldn't you feel more comfortable at Daily Kos or the DU?

Rob Nesvacil 9:28 AM  

JB,

You're clearly ignoring what I've written several times already.

When in anything I've written here have I compared rhetoric to violence?

I don't know how much more clearly I can put it. What I am saying is that the inflammatory, vitriolic rhetoric many of these organizations pump out serves as a gateway toward violence for the borderline malcontents who may be easily prodded in that direction, and there are apparently more extremist conservatives prone to crossing that line than there are extremist liberals.

I can't help but notice that in all your examples -- Ayers, Dohrn, Chavez (not even an American), Pfleger, etc. -- not a single person was killed at their hands (though Ayers and Dohrn certainly were culpable in the accidental deaths of their friends in New York). Yet the same cannot be said of conservatives such as Tim McVeigh, Eric Rudolph and the like ... and we are continuing to see this same pattern among the conservative base to this day as conservative movement rhetoric continues to "inspire" ne'er-do-wells to make bombs and plot out sight lines for clean shots during liberal rallies.

Only Mr. Baar brought up the Haymarket era in which labor-side liberals were guilty of terrorism as we now define it; though he failed to note the guilt on the part of business-side conservatives who also had blood on their hands.

Again, you are attempting to compare apples to an orchard. For every liberal instance of extremism and violence you might point to in order to claim "but everybody does it" there are a handful of conservative cases, happening more often and more consistently.

The facts and history are not on your side, sad as that is.

Rob Nesvacil 9:49 AM  

Anon 9:08am,

Perhaps the information I presented hits too close to home?

Just because you disagree with the facts and history doesn't mean I need to stop speaking about them.

Seems to be a lot of folks who either don't know how to read or choose to cherry-pick the information before them...

How is pointing out the relative frequency of conservative-based violence -- esp. when considered against the level of acrid commentary from the conservative movement -- either "partisan" or "irrational"?

Ignoring the gathering evidence because you don't like it would be partisan and irrational, friend.

JBP 12:56 PM  

Rob,

You are in some sort of delusional tizzy that legitimate conservative and libertarian organizations are somehow inducing violence. In an extraordinary majority of these organizations, there is not incitement to violence.

Your juxtaposition of such groups as the (pro-immigration btw)mainstream, but conservative, Illinois Family Institute with militant groups is just plain dishonest.

Your selective history of "relative frequency of conservative based violence" is just plain wrong (Blackstone Rangers anyone?).

JBP

Rob Nesvacil 4:56 PM  

Again JB you choose to selectively cherry-pick only parts of what I've written. You mention the Blackstone Rangers. JB, I also mentioned that there have been lib-leaning extremists prone to violence.

Again (Again!), my point is that while both conservative and liberal political philosophies have extremist fringes, history (including recent history) has shown us that it is the conservative fringe which is more likely to move toward militancy and take up arms (and bombs, and grenades, and the like).

Name a single militant liberal organization which destroyed an entire Federal building and killed hundreds in minutes.

And it is not liberals who are constantly acting as snipers or planting bombs at women's clinics across the country. Such incidents happen every few weeks in America and that happen at the hands of conservative terrorists who've been convinced doctors are "murderers" by the likes of those conservative pundits I've mentioned.

As for IFI, it was the Executive Director himself who recently informed us he believes gay folks want to destroy marriage, and so doing would destroy civilization. Why Dave Smith thinks civilization revolves around marriage is unclear, given that half of all marriages end in divorce.

But when some malcontent who is on the borderline between normal behavior and anti-social violence (already hopped up on a fiery 'liberals should be executed' rant from the likes of Ann Coulter) comes across a statement like that -- do you think they're going to just sit idly by while being told some demographic group wants to destroy civilization? (Folks like conservative anthrax huckster Chad Castagna have not sat idly by.)

Mr. Smith can oppose gay folks all he wants, but couching it in civilization-ending terms only serves to self-fulfill such an apocolyptic vision.

We ignore reality at our own peril, JB.

JBP 9:52 PM  

Absurd and Anti-Democratic Rob,

IFI is using rhetoric. Ayers, Dohrn, McVeigh were using bombs. Two different things.

A free society can and should welcome a thousand IFI's (or Daily Kos's if you will) to seriously discuss political issues, rather than making spurrious claims that free speech must be squelched because you disagree with it.

Mentally unstable people are capable of blaming their violence on any number of outside influences. Improper reactions to normal events pretty much defines mentally unstable, but by no means should set the boundary for political discussions.

JBP

Rob Nesvacil 12:07 PM  

JB,

Are your legs tired from all the conclusions you keep jumping to?

All I'm saying is conservatives like IFI director Dave Smith ought to consider the consequences of claiming that gay folks want to destroy civilization.

Or, other conservatives who say that people who favor sensible gun laws "are dangerous enemies who mean to deprive us of the last vestiges of freedom".

Or, other conservatives who call doctors at women's clinics "murderers"...

I could all too easily go on, JB. There are far too many examples of such seditious statements from conservatives.

I don't want to shut anybody down so your 1A comments are off the mark. But I'm pointing out how this sort of crap is bad for a reasonable, law-abiding society. It radicalizes people.

And I find it interesting that you're now claiming your fellow conservatives are mentally unstable simply because they act on the rhetoric their fed day in and day out by your compatriots.

Is that your excuse now? That conservatives are more likely to be mentally unstable. (That is the logical conclusion to your statement, given that you claim folks who listen to Ann Coulter ro similar and then act out based on the firebrand's vitriol are by definition "mentally unstable".)

Why do you think it is that so many of these "mentally unstable" tend to be conservatives and/or tend to target 'liberals'?

(And I've already covered your repeated factoid about Ayers, Dohrn, etc. Yet you keep beating that dead horse like it's all you've got left.)

JBP 1:37 PM  

Rob,

I don't assign much significance to the politics of lunatics. El Rukin is as crazy as the Branch Davidians in my book. The key difference from legitimate political actors is propensity to violence...which is the problem with your meandering post.

You have 0 statitiscally study behind the politics of looney groups, and pose that by mentioning the IFI in the same sentence as Timothy McVeigh somehow connects the groups. It doesn't.

And by the way, I am not the least bit conservative, nor do I become a conservative by your juxtapositions:

"your fellow conservatives are mentally unstable simply because they act on the rhetoric their fed day in and day out by your compatriots"


JBP

Rob Nesvacil 11:16 PM  

Lawdy, lawdy JB.

When did I ever write that McVeigh was connected to IFI?

I didn't.

I said the fiery rhetoric from groups like IFI leads to deviant behavior like that of Castagana, Ross, Uhl, Rudolph, McVeigh...

As for statistically based studies ... let me know when you're ready to finish your doctorate in this area and I'll help with your dissertation.

All kidding aside, it's odd that your "statistics" revolve around the few liberal groups you've mentioned over and over (Weather Underground, Black Panthers, Blackstone Rangers) from a few decades back whereas the evidence I've presented regarding conservative rogue groups and individuals is both much more recent and much more widespread in targets.

Again, your choice on whether or not to ignore that evidence, as you seem wont to do.

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