Tuesday, March 06, 2007

The tiny, vocal minority.

While I'm busy trying to secure my ejection from Conservadom - hopefully the deportation will be granted so I can officially separate myself from American Taliban occupied Wingnutistan and then finally my visa to western Moderatia will be approved. I will then be able to enjoy the benefits of hanging out with conservatives who 'read'....and for fun, at that.

The Times has a good kick in the teeth to social conservatives on the topic of stem cell research. I'll bold the money shot for you:


Social conservatives oppose stem cell research because it involves discarding embryos, but a clear majority of the public supports it, recognizing its dramatic potential for treating and curing juvenile diabetes, Alzheimer's and other diseases while noting that hundreds of embryos are destroyed by fertility clinics each year without comment. Lifting restrictions from researchers is a crucial step. So is ensuring this work continues into the future.


Illinois Review has anguished over the piece in a frame up that I wish I had thought of first:

Social conservatives, face it, you're irrelevant


Oh wait. I did.

I find it telling when a group of folks whom do everything they can to brand the other side of the debate as a 'tiny vocal minority', get exposed as a 'tiny, but vocal minority' themselves. I get a kick out of it.

Part of the methodology of the social conservative right is to play off as though they're a big deal, rather than admitting that they're merely a fractional tribe with little influence over real policy. As they become increasingly antiquated and public exposure of their irrelevance goes up, they have to fight that much harder to keep their sheep believing in them, often the tact used is to generate fake controversy using broad ranging wedge issues.

Occasionally, they'll torpedo a gov candidate or try to out a senator both of which done under the guise of 'Christian values' The acts themselves amount to metaphorical political blackmail - "Play our song, or don't play at all". This power, the only power at their disposal, is great for playing in the internal GOP workings, but should not be confused with the ability to actually change state wide policy a destinction which only leads to the conclusion that is it the responsibility of common sense conservatives to deal with them.

For conservatives like myself, who would rather see policy pragmatism over backwards Christianist ideological purity, it's important that we identify and isolate our So-Con right, which effectively amounts to little more than a micro noise machine - an apparatus or political puppet show, which heavily exaggerates their numbers and influence real GOP voters.

The only way we revive our dead party is by either surgically removing this apparatus in a way that does not cause any more damage to the party, or by reshaping it to work for us. The latter is unlikely. The former is a challenge.

14 comments:

Anonymous,  1:21 PM  

Social Conservatism is the only way Republicans get working class voters to support them. Without it, Republicans are just the party of big business and corporate "elites." How do you expect the GOP to appeal to anyone beyond their millionaire base without exploiting the gay marriage and abortion issues?
I don't see how that works in Illinois politics unless you want the GOP to exclusively represent the wealthier Chicago suburbs.

grand old partisan 1:28 PM  

I don't think there are significantly fewer "elites" in the "wealthier Chicago suburbs" than there were when the Republicans won 7 straight gubernatorial elections.

JBP 1:32 PM  

I am about 80% with you Dan, but you are acting as if you opponent here is some rational benevolent group.

It is not.

The activists backing Stem Cell research are only doing it to demonize the religious right, not to further science.

The activist blocking education vouchers are only blocking to continue the public school monopoly, not to assist public education.

As far as social conservatives attacking Sponge Bob/Square Pants etc, yes it is a waste of time. But, standing in favor of education and in favor of scientific priorities are good government, good politics, and on the Social Conservative agenda.

How about finding some more intersection points (like you did with education) with the So-Cons to form a bigger voting block?

Better yet, how about drafting some Democrats to vote in favor of students rather than the education monopoly.

JBP

Dan L 1:46 PM  

You're right JBP.

My argument has always been that if you drop the noise machine from the social conversative movement, you remove the majority of their liability and reestablish a front and center political party instead of our current grabasstic form.

Finding the intersection, basic policy issues and putting them together in a comprehensive message not only keeps our traditional base energetic, pleases the moderates, and invites a great deal of swing voters to the fold. And it's not like we're going to have to develop a message to compete with the other sides message. Not like they have one either.

Levois 1:51 PM  

You guys have a tougher challenge of finding yourselves today than you have once upon a time. The wedge social conservative issues are certainly problematice. I imagine they're problematic for Democrats too because they campaign on these issues and they are expected to deliver which they don't always. I think that one thing Republicans in this state should do is actively recruit and campaign in the one place they should chip at margins. Places like Chicago. That's just one strategy among many.

One thing is for certain I would like a pragmatic approach. There is a way to compromise on issues without resorting to rather meaningless ideological soundbites. I think there is someone out there who can be a bridge.

Dan L 3:13 PM  

And that puts you in the vast majority Levois. The fundamental difference between democrats and conservatives are different approaches. Essentially, we all have the same views and values just different approaches. The sooner we nip out these silly wedge issues, the sooner we build up that whole 'better brighter future' for all of us.

Extreme Wisdom 3:24 PM  

Will,

I got news for you. All those millionaires converted their "Country Club Republican" card for one saying "Limosine Liberal." The so-called "Rich" are now voting left in droves.

It's not the 80s anymore. The "left" dominates the poor & stupid, as well as the skanky rich establishment that wants them to stay that way. (GEDs and Ph.Ds. = liberal base)

The rational right dominates the vast middle. (obviously, there are issue-by-issue exceptions to the rule).

80s Demographics and 60s rhetoric are getting stale.
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Dan,

We may just have to differ on the $tem $ell $cam. I can see some wiggle room on issues like embryonic research, but the ,facts are;

1. selling/donating embryos is NOT illegal.

2. Funding research is NOT illegal.

3. Research is NOT illegal
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Applying a Hyde Amendment style rule to controversial things like the destruction of embryos is not radical or extreme.

Do what the law says is legal, but don't ask the taxpayer to fund it.
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Levois,

Campaign in Chicago?!

We're too busy whining about who was and who wasn't invited to a meeting, as we all attempt to take credit for electing Peter Fitzgerald.

You know, the really important stuff!!

Anonymous,  3:35 PM  

80s Demographics and 60s rhetoric are getting stale.


Quote of the day.

Anonymous,  4:24 PM  

All the limousine liberal talk from Rush and O'Reilly is a cute line but the reality is that the vast majority of millionaires and corporate "elites" in America support the Republican Party. That's why they manage to pass tax cuts for millionaires but never overturned Roe v. Wade after six years of a Republican Congress, President and Supreme Court.

But I'm sure the Illinois GOP has plenty of other solid traditional conservative values to campaign on like fiscal responsibility. Certainly, after George Bush's out of control deficit spending and George Ryan's tax increases, I'm sure that will go over very well.

Or maybe not. Well, if you can't talk about social issues, or fiscal conservatism, or how the GOP agenda favors the wealthy, then what exactly is left? Badmouthing tree-huggers and making ridiculous staw-man arguments about how liberals want to keep people poor won't get you very far beyond the talk radio crowd.

JoeBama "Truth 101" Kelly 4:29 PM  

Losing the stem cell issue is a small piece of the decaying Republican pie. The Country is wise to the Republican use of the abortion issue, and subsequent failure to actually reduce or outlaw it. The Country is wise to the arrogant disregard of governmental responsibility to the Citizens from the way the Bush Administration has conducted virtually all it's business. Karl Rove will not be able to come up with a new catch phrase to save the Republicans from defeat in 2008. Dan: you are a well spoken and a sharp guy. The Democratic party would appreciate a pragmatic and caring individual like yourself as a member. Consider this an invitation to the Party that truly wants to make the lives of all Americans better.

Extreme Wisdom 7:53 PM  

Vote by Income - http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html

200K+ 63 Bush 35 Kerry
150-200K 58 Bush 42% Kerry
100-150K 57 Bush 42 Kerry
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Hardly a "vast majority," Will. The fact is that I grew up on the North Shore, and live in River Forest, and they are mostly Lexus Liberals by any definition you can name.

It's the small business owners and contractors that vote R. The meeting attending, vision statement writing, marketing apparatchik, corporate HR drone is trending strongly D, and their rent-seeking corporate chieftans are not far behind.

Your comment about "not overturning Roe v. Wade" is basically Dem seminar fodder. Roe V. Wade is for the Sup. Ct. to overturn, and the Rs in House, Senate, and Oval office have done the best they could under the circumstances. Regardless of one's position on the issue, to say they haven't "done enough/anything" is intellectually dishonest.

For my part, I'll argue for tax-cuts any time, whether for millionaires or not, and I'm pretty much with you on Republican fiscal irresponsibility re: spending.

Some other thoughts...

Who badmouthed "treehuggers?" Sure, I despise Al Gore, but I have no problem with replacing taxes on productive people with taxes on carbon, gas, and waste taxes. (with whatever amelioration needed for the pooor)

Socialism keeps people poor, and no one who promotes socialistic policies - as most liberals do - should be absolved from having that pointed out to them. That isn't a "straw man" argument, it's an accurate one.

You really should take a chill pill. I'm sure there are some issues we can agree upon, and where we don't agree, I'll be happy to stipulate that that doesn't make you 'evil'. (reciprocation is expected)

[As an aside - your "talk radio crowd" rhetoric is a much better example of a "straw man" argument than anything I posted, though I'll take back the comment that most liberals want to keep people poor. It's just the result of the policies most of them promote. Thank you for correcting me.]

JBP 8:02 PM  

"Party that truly wants to make the lives of all Americans better" by insuring the education monopoly can retire at age 50 while our urban male students are more likely to go to prison than to college? The Democratic Party in Illinois is bought and sold by the Education Monopoly. There isn't a soul out there (Democrat or Republican) alike that thinks Illinois Education does a good job, yet we continue to increase spending to get piss-poor results

Our Democratic governor has an absurd record of hiring criminals to steal teachers' pension funds-which somehow doesn't irritate the Union leaders-while the rank and file face a tremendous amount of risk at the hands of our Illinois Democratic Government.

Dan has the issue. Bruno has the issue. It is Education, and the current system, rammed down the public throat by the Democrats is a dead failure.

JBP

Anonymous,  1:16 PM  

Both parties are kind of bad.

Judy Bar Topinka did enough stupid things to not blame conservatives for her loss.

Lots of the so called conservative leadership is whacked.

However, I do think there is a at least quasi conservative silent majority on many issues and Illinois is not as left leaning as some people think.

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