Wednesday, March 15, 2006

Which side are you on?

If he had not become a Communist at 22, I would have disowned him. If he is still a Communist at 30, I will do it then.

--a quote Bennet Cerf once reported as Clemenceau's response to a visitor's alarm about his son being a communist

and,
I just don't understand why we're so harsh on Cuba when there are plenty of other injustices going on around the world that we casually ignore, perhaps you could enlighten me.
--Stephanie Scott in defense of her Dad in response to my post Abajo Fidel
My enlightenment is too quote this: from Nick Cohen; on the great devide that today confronts Liberalism. Cohen was writing about the Iranian dissident: Maryam Naimze,
Namazie is on the right side of the great intellectual struggle of our time between incompatible versions of liberalism. One follows the fine and necessary principle of tolerance, but ends up having to tolerate the oppression of women, say, or gays in foreign cultures while opposing misogyny and homophobia in its own. (Or 'liberalism for the liberals and cannibalism for the cannibals!' as philosopher Martin Hollis elegantly described the hypocrisy of the manoeuvre.) The alternative is to support universal human rights and believe that if the oppression of women is wrong, it is wrong everywhere.

The gulf between the two is unbridgeable. Although the argument is rarely put as baldly as I made it above, you can see it breaking out everywhere across the liberal-left. Trade union leaders stormed out of the anti-war movement when they discovered its leadership had nothing to say about the trade unionists who were demanding workers' rights in Iraq and being tortured and murdered by the 'insurgents' for their presumption.

Former supporters of Ken Livingstone reacted first with bewilderment and then steady contempt when he betrayed Arab liberals and embraced the Islamic religious right. The government's plans to ban the incitement of religious hatred have created an opposition which spans left and right and whose members have found they have more in common with each other than with people on 'their side'.

As Namazie knows, the dispute can't stay in the background for much longer. There's an almighty smash-up coming and not before time.
That's the question we must decide and in today's world of WMDs there is little time for the youthful dalliance with the far left Clemanceau would have granted you.

Oppression and tyranny must be stood up too. None to be casually ignored.

Progressive can't stand it, but these are the most progressive words I've heard spoken by a US President in my 52 years,
America has need of idealism and courage, because we have essential work at home the unfinished work of American freedom. In a world moving toward liberty, we are determined to show the meaning and promise of liberty.
--from Bush's Second Inaugural

13 comments:

Anonymous,  3:39 PM  

Bill, Starbucks is hiring, be a great way for you to get out of the house and join society.

Jonathan Kelley 3:52 PM  

Yeah, Bush says a lot of things. Like "We are addicted to oil." Then his handlers have to go back and correct the record to say what he REALLY meant.

My question is this: When Bill Baar says something he doesn't mean, who goes back to correct the record? Like when he lies about the Governor, or falsely accuses people of Jew-baiting by pointing to a practice which he himself engages in freely and happily. Who corrects the record then?

Or wait! Given that Bill Baar sees the use of the name "Rahm" as anti-Semetic, and he himself does it ... could it be that Bill Baar is projecting? To cover up the fact that HE is the real anti-Semite in the room? What other explanation exists?

Bill Baar 4:16 PM  

All the Cegelis supporters need do Pres, is include Durbin and Obama, if they feel compelled to talk about people pulling Duckworths strings.

They're in as far as Rahm.

And whether you call him Tim or whatever, I begin to wonder why he's constantly singled out...

...but that's for the earlier post.

What Lindy Scott should remember is I bet somewhere in Cuba, a poltical prisoner is getting taunted in their cell --about the betrayel of the West's Liberals-- and having Scott's words thrown in their faces, just as Cohen finds here when he talks about huge betrayel by Liberals of their own values,

The other day, I ran into Kanan Makiya, a writer who has done more than anyone to expose the horrors of the Saddam regime, and he was disgusted with the rich world's liberals. He is collecting millions of old files in Baghdad so Iraqis will be able to find out what happened to their families during the 35-year Baath dictatorship. 'All the time, I hear the insurgents crowing, "Even your friends in the West don't support you." And they're right. We have been betrayed.'

Jonathan Kelley 4:22 PM  

Tim Emanuel is HEAD OF THE DCCC.

Again, wilfully obtuse.

On another note, please ask your buddy Bush how things are going in Saudi Arabia, since he and you are such great defenders of the gays and the womens.

Finally, just correct your little error about the Governor. Then go back to criticizing him, by all means!

Anonymous,  4:32 PM  
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Bill Baar 4:51 PM  

I delete a comment in poor taste about Cubans.

J Kelly,

Read Rices speech in Cario. This has huge impact.

In Saudi Arabia, brave citizens are demanding accountable government. And some good first steps toward openness have been taken with recent municipal elections. Yet many people pay an unfair price for exercising their basic rights. Three individuals in particular are currently imprisoned for peacefully petitioning their government. That should not be a crime in any country.

If only Lindy Scott could speak out in the same way on behalf of Dr. Biscet.

Words have surpizingly big impact.

Jonathan Kelley 5:15 PM  

All's I'm sayin' is that SA's horrific human rights record seems to have no impact on our ACTUAL RELATIONS with that country. Ms. Rice's speeches aside. Or Prof. Scott's daughter's words.

So how's that correction coming? And that apology??

Anonymous,  8:45 PM  

I don't believe President Bush has done enough to "stand up to tyranny and oppression." He sent US troops into Iraq in insufficient numbers and with insufficient equipment. He underestimated the strength and resiliency of the insurgency. He continues to prop up corrupt monarchies in the Middle East. He has not asked the American people to sacrifice like past generations did to protect our nation. I believe our national security is at great risk.

Bill Baar 8:27 AM  

What do you propose for the other two Prez?

And then Cuba? What should we do when Castro goes and it implodes?

Who's plan are you supporting?

From the Miami Herald describing Castro's reaction to Rice's planning commission,

In an unusually harsh outburst, Cuban leader Fidel Castro Friday called U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice ''mad'' and used a vulgar epithet to describe her special commission on the island's transition.

It was the first time in memory the 79-year-old Castro, who has been unusually aggressive in his recent public pronouncements, used the crude but common vulgarism in public, two longtime monitors of the Cuban media said.

Castro has become ''increasingly cantankerous for the last four years,'' said Brian Latell, a retired CIA analyst on Cuba and author of After Fidel, a new book about Castro and his brother, designated successor Raúl Castro.

In recent years Castro has harshly insulted presidents Vicente Fox of Mexico, Fernando de la Rúa of Argentina and Jorge Batlle of Uruguay. Last week, a top aide to Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula de Silva said Castro had called him a pendejo -- literally a pubic hair but also an epithet for a sniveling coward.

''The danger is that as he becomes more isolated because of his declining health and his age, he's becoming more cantankerous and . . . the quality of his leadership is deteriorating,'' Latell said.

If Scott or any of the other Dems running have a problem with Rice's planning, now is a nice time to start talking...

...unlike Iraq where so many Dems voted for war, and voted for Clinton's Iraq Liberation Act...

...and then complain afterwords about being bamboozled.

Skeeter 9:08 AM  

Bill,
Do you think the President was being ironic in his second inaugural? After all his record is about as anti-liberty as is possible.

Secret prisons? Americans held without charges or contact with the outside world? No access to attorneys? Warrantless wiretaps of Americans?

Who is he to tell anyone about liberty?

Skeeter 11:29 AM  

Not a time for youthful dalliance?
Right. This is the Worst Of All Times. We have never been in more immediate danger.

Other than just about every minute in our history. People always think the times are somehow different. They are not.

Youthful dalliance has its place. If you are not a liberal at 18, you have no heart. If you are not conservative at 38, you have no brain. Lacking one is as bad as lacking the other.

Anonymous,  1:50 PM  

The Daily Show had the Bush adminstration figured out a couple of years ago: Words Speak Louder Than Actions.

The Bushies are great at producing tons of glorious-sounding verbiage, but their record of unaccomplishment speaks for itself. At least it does to those of us who live in the reality-based world.

Anonymous,  2:27 PM  

When Bush lies
The Troops die
The White House spins
Iraqis pay for our sins

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