tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post116578703282280765..comments2023-11-30T04:19:29.368-06:00Comments on ILLINOIZE: Is Oak Forest serious?Rich Millerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05405714376169753223noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165951158284901592006-12-12T13:19:00.000-06:002006-12-12T13:19:00.000-06:00Carl says -"One unintended consequence of this pol...Carl says -<BR/><BR/>"One unintended consequence of this policy----will be to make it much more profitable for landlords to heat with electricity (tenant pays, but less efficient) than other heating systems where the landlord pays (but they are more efficient)."<BR/><BR/>Yeah, I heard a group of landlords conspiring the very next day they heard about this. They say it's worth dumping thousands ofAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165901705179239692006-12-11T23:35:00.000-06:002006-12-11T23:35:00.000-06:00"Property taxes are too high, but taxing utilities..."Property taxes are too high, but taxing utilities doesn't fix this."<BR/><BR/>I think the answer is in Mr. Triggs piece. LOOK CloselyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165901564456232452006-12-11T23:32:00.000-06:002006-12-11T23:32:00.000-06:00"clueless on finances" HMMMnow that's an intellge..."clueless on finances" HMMM<BR/>now that's an intellgent argument<BR/><BR/>Maybe Sherlock Holmes is a better joice,<BR/>Sammie ain't very good at finding clues<BR/><BR/>As long as we're fishing, has anyone heard from Babe Winkleman?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165900902410737832006-12-11T23:21:00.000-06:002006-12-11T23:21:00.000-06:00I'm not even bothering with Senator Harmon. This i...I'm not even bothering with Senator Harmon. This is Hard Ball, so We need to play hardball.<BR/>We need to call in Sammie Sosa and Barry Bonds. They should be able to tell us if their throwing us a curve or not. <BR/><BR/>IAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165896383043387212006-12-11T22:06:00.000-06:002006-12-11T22:06:00.000-06:00Senator Harmon, Should speak up against the propos...Senator Harmon, Should speak up against the proposed unfair tax shift. But I bet he remains very quiet as usual.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165891305934768022006-12-11T20:41:00.000-06:002006-12-11T20:41:00.000-06:00Hey! I hERD SOMEWHERE THEY WANT TO TAX MY KILO. WA...Hey! I hERD SOMEWHERE THEY WANT TO TAX MY KILO. WATTS UP WIT THAT!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165886225592849642006-12-11T19:17:00.000-06:002006-12-11T19:17:00.000-06:00That's a good point. Since it is Forest,there's lo...That's a good point. Since it is Forest,<BR/>there's lots wood to heat and keep warm.<BR/><BR/>O.K.maybe moving to Oak Park is not a good idea. But if they start taxing water, I'm moving to StreamWood.<BR/>It sounds like a place that has water and trees.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165884169963428802006-12-11T18:42:00.000-06:002006-12-11T18:42:00.000-06:00The Oak Forest City Council is clueless on finance...The Oak Forest City Council is clueless on finances, but I have a plan. I'm going to heat with wood and see how they tax the logs I pick up that are dumped around on the city's streets.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165882602239789852006-12-11T18:16:00.000-06:002006-12-11T18:16:00.000-06:00That's it-That's the last straw. I'm moving to Oak...That's it-That's the last straw. I'm moving to Oak Park<BR/><BR/>Somewhere where there's less trees.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165876864517567222006-12-11T16:41:00.000-06:002006-12-11T16:41:00.000-06:00If that's true, you've taught them wellPatIf that's true, you've taught them well<BR/>PatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165865290588748452006-12-11T13:28:00.000-06:002006-12-11T13:28:00.000-06:00... what should also be considered is that Oak For...... what should also be considered is that Oak Forest has recently hired several new employees at significant pay increases over what their predecessors were paid; someone has to pay the bill!<BR/><BR/>... and new positions were created; including an $80k sweetheart deal for the city clerk, who went from a PTE, and a $12,000 salary, to a FTE with a salary of over $90,000 - all because he switchedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165862362426795192006-12-11T12:39:00.000-06:002006-12-11T12:39:00.000-06:00Obviously, I don't care how a tax bill is split am...Obviously, I don't care how a tax bill is split amongst various politicians crying for more money, and neither does the taxpayer. And, yes, I do know how property tax bills are split amongst more government taxing authorities in Illinois than in any other state. I never said the city has control over teachers salaries, either, just used the 4 teacher example on how easy it is to find $453,000 in Jeff Trigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02115454634847957095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165862230735709372006-12-11T12:37:00.000-06:002006-12-11T12:37:00.000-06:00One unintended consequence of this policy--which I...One unintended consequence of this policy--which I assume won't pass when people think about it--will be to make it much more profitable for landlords to heat with electricity (tenant pays, but less efficient) than other heating systems where the landlord pays (but they are more efficient).<BR/><BR/>Property taxes are too high, but taxing utilities doesn't fix this.Carl Nyberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07600144635930031384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165860053004401502006-12-11T12:00:00.000-06:002006-12-11T12:00:00.000-06:00Mr. Trigg,Please, PleaseObviously you do not even ...Mr. Trigg,<BR/><BR/>Please, Please<BR/><BR/>Obviously you do not even know how a tax bill is split among entities.<BR/><BR/>The City has no control over cutting teachers salaries and Admins. from the school budget!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165844996443132192006-12-11T07:49:00.000-06:002006-12-11T07:49:00.000-06:00Jeff is right on the tax shifting in this case. T...Jeff is right on the tax shifting in this case. The main point here is that a renter does, in fact, pay property taxes through the portion of the rent the landlord uses to pay those taxes. Moreover, the renter cannot take a deduction for property taxes (unlike an owner) on federal or state income taxes. And Jeff gets it exactly right -- no landlord will actually reduce rent in response to a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165813640672148622006-12-10T23:07:00.000-06:002006-12-10T23:07:00.000-06:00Oak Brook is already charging these taxes. I didn'...Oak Brook is already charging these taxes. I didn't mention income demographics, I mentioned Census data on race btw. Oak Forest is not as rich as Oak Brook, so that only goes further to demonstrate this tax increase will hit the working class and poor in Oak Forest more than it will the richer people in Oak Brook. Still unnecessary to increase tax on anyone.Jeff Trigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02115454634847957095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165813205962433422006-12-10T23:00:00.000-06:002006-12-10T23:00:00.000-06:00You assume a $453,000 tax increase is needed. I do...You assume a $453,000 tax increase is needed. I don't. 4 $100,000 teachers would have the same effect on the budget as this policy does. 3 fewer administrators. Oh my. <BR/><BR/>Aha, you are correct, this is a %10 reduction on only their city portion of their total property tax bill, not a 10% cut in their property tax cut as it is being billed. So they save $160 and need 32,000 kilowatt hours toJeff Trigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02115454634847957095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165811502446364842006-12-10T22:31:00.000-06:002006-12-10T22:31:00.000-06:00Im sorry, I thought this blog was about the propos...Im sorry, I thought this blog was about the proposed utility tax in Oak Forest, but after reading Mr. Triggs's income demographics, he must be talking about OAK BROOK. Is Oak Brook considering this too?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165809209521237082006-12-10T21:53:00.000-06:002006-12-10T21:53:00.000-06:00Mr TriggI really have to point something out to yo...Mr Trigg<BR/><BR/>I really have to point something out to your over simplified approach and answer in doing a true analysis of what's being proposed here:<BR/>"Then you explain how a $10,000 property tax payer makes up the $1,000 tax break they will get with this policy, versus the poor renter that will no property tax relief but will now be paying taxes on their utilities. The comparative Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165807044234530472006-12-10T21:17:00.000-06:002006-12-10T21:17:00.000-06:00Jeff and Jerry,Please help,Every time I go to the ...Jeff and Jerry,<BR/><BR/>Please help,<BR/><BR/>Every time I go to the store or even go buy a stamp it seems there is an increase in price of what we purchase.<BR/>I have a business, healthcare costs keep rising, my vendors charge me more, my employees want more pay, my rent goes up,......so I reduce my budget in some area's and struggle to make ends meet...And of course, the final straw is I haveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165805758128560342006-12-10T20:55:00.000-06:002006-12-10T20:55:00.000-06:00Thank you Jerry. I'm an odd political beast. I fee...Thank you Jerry. I'm an odd political beast. I feel like a liberal but think like a conservative. The classic liberal perhaps. I always say the very least government can do for the poor is to not tax them. So policies like this catch my attention as my priority for reforming government always starts with how the poor and unable to care for themselves are impacted. In that regard, I identify with Jeff Trigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02115454634847957095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165805637071984792006-12-10T20:53:00.000-06:002006-12-10T20:53:00.000-06:00Sales tax,use tax,regulatory tax, property tax,fed...Sales tax,use tax,regulatory tax, property tax,federal tax,sate tax,Social security tax,Gas tax,Smoking tax,retail tax,license tax, luxury tax,medicare tax<BR/>death tax.<BR/><BR/>"TAX THE RICH, FEED THE POOR, TIll THERE ARE NO RICH NO MORE.....I'd love to change the world, but I don't know what to do"<BR/><BR/>Wow, now that's heavy. Do you remember those days!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165804310797099142006-12-10T20:31:00.000-06:002006-12-10T20:31:00.000-06:00So if I'm hearing you right....the proposal is a g...So if I'm hearing you right....the proposal is a good deal for the average rich property owner in oak forest, but a bad deal to the poor renter.<BR/><BR/>Is that it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165803482634052172006-12-10T20:18:00.000-06:002006-12-10T20:18:00.000-06:00Right, I didn't do a comparative analysis. Sure. T...Right, I didn't do a comparative analysis. Sure. Then you explain how a $10,000 property tax payer makes up the $1,000 tax break they will get with this policy, versus the poor renter that will no property tax relief but will now be paying taxes on their utilities. The comparative analysis should be obvious to anyone that isn't clouded by politics. They admit what effect this will have right in Jeff Trigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02115454634847957095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165803186763069592006-12-10T20:13:00.000-06:002006-12-10T20:13:00.000-06:00To the first anonymous, this isn't a use tax by an...To the first anonymous, this isn't a use tax by any stretch. Taxing the electricity and natural gas has absolutely nothing to do with the delivery of electricity and gas. A gasoline tax could be considered a road use tax, because the more you drive on the roads, the more gasoline you have to purchase. They even admit it isn't a use tax in the article, if you read it, by stating the $400,000 tax Jeff Trigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02115454634847957095noreply@blogger.com