tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post116541548594698722..comments2023-11-30T04:19:29.368-06:00Comments on ILLINOIZE: Concealed Carry Cedes the Day to Illinois Council Against Handgun ViolenceRich Millerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05405714376169753223noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165500215656810352006-12-07T08:03:00.000-06:002006-12-07T08:03:00.000-06:00Cardoza,I believe that you're referring to the art...Cardoza,<BR/><BR/>I believe that you're referring to the articles and book written by <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott" REL="nofollow"> John Lott</A>.<BR/><BR/>Since facts are important, <A HREF="http://timlambert.org/2003/04/0426/" REL="nofollow"> here's some:</A><BR/><BR/><I>Ian Ayres and John Donohue wrote a paper that found that, if anything, concealed carry laws lead to more Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165465728628242772006-12-06T22:28:00.000-06:002006-12-06T22:28:00.000-06:00Concealed Weapon laws seem to decrease crime by U ...Concealed Weapon laws seem to decrease crime by U of C studies and FBI statistics. Whether that is correlation or causality I am not sure but it makes sense that people having weapons deter criminals.<BR/><BR/>Law abiding people who take a course and pass a background check should be allowed to carry a weapon.<BR/><BR/>Self defense is good and a right.<BR/><BR/>For some reason in Illinois the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165428825658194502006-12-06T12:13:00.000-06:002006-12-06T12:13:00.000-06:00It appears to me, based on the experience in state...It appears to me, based on the experience in states that allow concealed carry versus those that don't, that other factors -- such as a strong economy, community policing, more accessible drug rehab -- have a greater effect on crime rates than concealed carry.<BR/><BR/>The thing that bothers me about concealed carry is that it takes one more tool away from cops. Let's say you live in a state Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165426932299726012006-12-06T11:42:00.000-06:002006-12-06T11:42:00.000-06:00Skeeter,NOT allowing conceal carry doesn't deter (...Skeeter,<BR/><BR/>NOT allowing conceal carry doesn't deter (ie, reduce) crime either....it only reduces the ability of the victim to defend themself.<BR/><BR/>Gun related crimes neither significantly increased or decreased in states that have enacted conceal carry. You say that's an arguement against it. But as someone who believes that the government needs a compelling reason to take away rightsgrand old partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10258795327487150279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165423730722281182006-12-06T10:48:00.000-06:002006-12-06T10:48:00.000-06:00To those who want to ban guns if this guy couldn't...To those who want to ban guns if this guy couldn't be successful without connections and pay to play. Then what about the guy who is able to play that game. Uh-oh you're in trouble now.Levoishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11738239742618133212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165419836676003442006-12-06T09:43:00.000-06:002006-12-06T09:43:00.000-06:00the power of logic was too difficult to overcome. ...<I>the power of logic was too difficult to overcome. </I><BR/><BR/>The logic that says that some 35+ states can have it, but somehow IL can't?<BR/><BR/>The real problem with Salvi was he just took it. He didnt' make any sort of a defence at all. I have heard that he did so based on advice/dictation from D'amato, the national senate chair.<BR/><BR/>It didn't help that he beat the establishment Pat Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08850320212961576918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165419600560506182006-12-06T09:40:00.000-06:002006-12-06T09:40:00.000-06:00Skeeter,The vast majority of thugs have more brain...Skeeter,<BR/><BR/>The vast majority of thugs have more brains than gun-banning politicians. <BR/><BR/>To your question: It's the uncertainty. Criminals will think twice if it is possible that their next victim might be armed. That's deterrence.<BR/><BR/>In jurisdictions that ban handguns, criminals feel safer. They have the law on their side--they are certain that their victims will be Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165418786993792582006-12-06T09:26:00.000-06:002006-12-06T09:26:00.000-06:00Any chance you can explain how a concealed weapon ...Any chance you can explain how a concealed weapon deters anybody?<BR/><BR/>A bad guy seeing somebody with a concealed weapon will not be deterred at all. The person would look like any other potential.<BR/><BR/>Maybe the organization shut down because the power of logic was too difficult to overcome.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1165418646705670832006-12-06T09:24:00.000-06:002006-12-06T09:24:00.000-06:00There's another political reality in Illinois that...There's another political reality in Illinois that Mr. Birch simply failed to recognize. In the 1996 contest between Salvi and Durbin, Salvi's support of concealed carry legislation was one of the biggest issues. At that time, few states allowed concealed carry, and public reaction to the idea was horror.<BR/><BR/>Durbin trounced Salvi, and the debate over concealed carry was over in Illinois Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com