tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post114711223896219183..comments2023-11-30T04:19:29.368-06:00Comments on ILLINOIZE: Anti-Gay Tripe is Ripe for ChallengeRich Millerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05405714376169753223noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-87678082616331780012007-12-22T18:23:00.000-06:002007-12-22T18:23:00.000-06:00ollie,What an interesting way of looking at things...ollie,<BR/><BR/>What an interesting way of looking at things.<BR/><BR/>BTW, how did you come up with the handle "ollie"? I'm sure there must be an interesting story behind it. <BR/><BR/>Do tell!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1147234154647757792006-05-09T23:09:00.000-05:002006-05-09T23:09:00.000-05:00Well said, Carl.Well said, Carl.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1147215710167755412006-05-09T18:01:00.000-05:002006-05-09T18:01:00.000-05:00Human rights aren't relative?Are you in favor of t...Human rights aren't relative?<BR/><BR/>Are you in favor of treating immigrants and citizens equally, Bill?<BR/><BR/>Bill, I don't believe you care about Iraqi human rights except as a political tool for making some domestic political point.<BR/><BR/>By what measure to evaluate whether people's human rights are being respected? How do you feel about Iraqis being tortured now? HOw about the human Carl Nyberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07600144635930031384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1147214726157115282006-05-09T17:45:00.000-05:002006-05-09T17:45:00.000-05:00Bill -I think you're missing the point. When it c...Bill -<BR/><BR/>I think you're missing the point. When it comes to what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom, government shouldn't be in the sexual ethics business, one way or the other.<BR/><BR/>We've got parents and pastors for that, and when they let us down, we've got Dr. Phil and Joyce Brothers and shelves full of books at Barnes & Noble, including atleast three Yellow Dog Democrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04298700349853141750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1147212778049180972006-05-09T17:12:00.000-05:002006-05-09T17:12:00.000-05:00Look what happened to Catholic Charities in Mass O...Look what happened to Catholic Charities in Mass Ollie.<BR/><BR/>This isn't bigotry. It's fear of what government will do with sexual ethics.<BR/><BR/>I think it's unfounded.. or can be dealt with appropriately, but oppenents of <EM>Protect Marriage</EM> or going to have to take a stand on how Illinois won't repeat the fiasco in Mass with Catholic Charities.<BR/><BR/>Otherwise <EM>Protect Bill Baarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07095486926836836714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1147193715253056992006-05-09T11:55:00.000-05:002006-05-09T11:55:00.000-05:00"wonder why Rick Garcia and other members of the g..."wonder why Rick Garcia and other members of the gay community are going after this so strongly if they aren't worried. "<BR/><BR/>I can speak only for myself: I am not so much worried as much as I am embarrased. <BR/><BR/>You know, one of the reasons I like Illinois better than my former state (Texas) is that we can have a governor's race in which BOTH candidates consider tolerance to be a Harriethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17953435368705942387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1147154449535653772006-05-09T01:00:00.000-05:002006-05-09T01:00:00.000-05:00Hub - I've got to agree with anon 5:27. The fact ...Hub - I've got to agree with anon 5:27. The fact that they couldn't collect enough valid signatures from enough registered voters is proof enough that there's no groundswell of support for this referendum. Equality Illinois is doing you a favor by putting this hairbrained scheme out of it's misery. If this were a horse, you'd shoot it.<BR/><BR/>watchya gonna do?-- You're right, they will have Yellow Dog Democrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04298700349853141750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1147149746583955132006-05-08T23:42:00.000-05:002006-05-08T23:42:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1147136673359151022006-05-08T20:04:00.000-05:002006-05-08T20:04:00.000-05:00This referendum would pass at least 60-40 in Illin...This referendum would pass at least 60-40 in Illinois.<BR/>But the idiots who were organizing this could get it knocked off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1147134687874879062006-05-08T19:31:00.000-05:002006-05-08T19:31:00.000-05:00Carl,If they endoresed something along the lines o...Carl,<BR/>If they endoresed something along the lines of the Euston Manifesto... a recognition that Human Rights aren't relative... That Democracy is as right in Iraq as it is here... That execution Gays in Iran a far greater injustice than anything from IFI... That Garica's indifference to Farrahkans statement on cleansing the streets of Jerusalem with blood for allowig a Gay Pride Parade a Bill Baarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07095486926836836714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1147130237871866862006-05-08T18:17:00.000-05:002006-05-08T18:17:00.000-05:00I wonder why Rick Garcia and other members of the ...I wonder why Rick Garcia and other members of the gay community are going after this so strongly if they aren't worried. Something tells me that Ricky boy is quite worried!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1147130081536608042006-05-08T18:14:00.000-05:002006-05-08T18:14:00.000-05:00Let's see...They have a mailing list of 420,000+ r...Let's see...<BR/><BR/>They have a mailing list of 420,000+ registered voters that signed their petition.<BR/><BR/>If it get's challenged, they can blame Liberals for restricting voters of Illinois.<BR/><BR/>If this gets challenged, they will likely gain more support next election.<BR/><BR/>Hmmm... doesn't sound too bad for the Conservatives! My advice to the Dems running in November, stay far Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1147128976430387362006-05-08T17:56:00.000-05:002006-05-08T17:56:00.000-05:00Bill, what would convince you to vote for Bean or ...Bill, what would convince you to vote for Bean or Duckworth?Carl Nyberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07600144635930031384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1147128010861037602006-05-08T17:40:00.000-05:002006-05-08T17:40:00.000-05:00anon 5:27Your marriage is a right argument would g...anon 5:27<BR/><BR/>Your <EM>marriage is a right</EM> argument would go over better if it hadn't resulted in forcing Catholic Charities out of the adoption business in Mass because they refused to compromise their Catholicism by <EM>discriminating</EM> when not placing kids with same sex couples.<BR/><BR/>It making same sex marriage a right means forcing everyone to compromise their faith Bill Baarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07095486926836836714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1147127259922330072006-05-08T17:27:00.000-05:002006-05-08T17:27:00.000-05:00hub,So we gay citizens of Illinois, who want nothi...hub,<BR/><BR/>So we gay citizens of Illinois, who want nothing more than to live our lives in peace and with the same rights that straight people take for granted, should just sit on our hands and do nothing to prevent this pernicious, mean-spirited referendum from soiling the November ballot, even though challenging signatures is a right under the laws of the state of Illinois (and, I might add,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1147122900224385052006-05-08T16:15:00.000-05:002006-05-08T16:15:00.000-05:00YDD, I'm a repub, and this issue does not motivate...YDD, I'm a repub, and this issue does not motivate me. I think the state should get out of the marriage business altogether, and I think the IFI folks, though right on some issues, are idiots.<BR/><BR/>That said, it does seem the referendum opponents are making a tactical mistake by opposing this. If indeed the public does not support their position, they should let the referendum fail Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1147120443368315902006-05-08T15:34:00.000-05:002006-05-08T15:34:00.000-05:00They call the requirement to have petition sheets ...They call the requirement to have petition sheets notarized "draconian"? That requirement is so easy to handle that it boggles the mind that they couldn't get it done for that many sheets. Even if they didn't have anyone available to notarize those pages, are they too cheap to go to an all-night currency exchange?<BR/><BR/>Anyone who can screw something up that badly should be hounded out of fedup demhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12006928307562241455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14463601.post-1147113851106049312006-05-08T13:44:00.000-05:002006-05-08T13:44:00.000-05:00I see now that session is over YDD is back posting...I see now that session is over YDD is back posting...I gotta get me a State job.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com